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Hi. Came here as a newbie and am attempting to accomplish the building of a portable kitchen island. This structure has 4x4" corner legs with a 1 1/2 x 3 1/3 braces in what I now know are grooves. I attempted creating the grooves by numerous, close circular saw cuts. Didn't work. So, I decided to learn about the Skill router I've stored in the basement for about ten years. I have never (before today) attempted to use a router and I have never seen anybody else use one. Online I was advised a "jig" would be helpful. I built a jig, but even with clamps I have not the imagination to picture how to set up a path that doesn't have an angle that not including a zero or five. My local hardware store said they couldn't do it. I have now spent more money than I would have if I had just purchased a mobile island. I'm hoping somebody can point me to an instruction or video of somebody effectively accomplishing what I am trying to do. If I knew somebody who did this kind of thing, I would ask for assistance. I want to cut a 3.5", 1.5" deep groove across 4 4x4's. I'm in Chicago, near north. Any suggestions (other than learn to knit?) Thanks.
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Buddy I'm having a hard time visualizing what you are trying to attempt. You can post pictures or drawings (scanned images) as long as they are in your hard drive. I know the answer isn't complicated if we can understand what you are trying to do.

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Buddy,

I need a little more information on your design. I understand you have 4 x 4 vertical posts which will be connected with 2 x 4 rails. The question I have is are the rails centered on the posts, or aligned with the edges?

If you are centering them, then you can accomplish it a couple of different ways. You can use an Edge guide and plow the groove out, you can use a mortising base plate and plow out the groove, or you can make a template and use a template guide bushing or a pattern bit.

If you have a router table (which you can make for nothing from scrap) you can use a straight bit with a fence and position your groove.

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I have now spent more money than I would have if I had just purchased a mobile island. I'm hoping somebody can point me to an instruction or video of somebody effectively accomplishing what I am trying to do. Any suggestions (other than learn to knit?) Thanks.
Welcome to the wonderful world of Do-it-yourself There are many of us who have done the same. However, when you get to the point that you create something for yourself or your home that is unavailable in a store, it is worth it.
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Welcome Buddy...
1st off as the new guy on the router we have some reading for you that you may find very helpful at this link...
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now for you dado...
dadoes are cross grain and groves are w/ the grain...

here are some ideas for jigs...
Hint:
use your circular saw and a chisel to remove/hog out the bulk of the material and the router to clean up the dado...

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Great post, Stick! Nicely illustrated.
I'm wondering if what Buddy is trying to do is rabbet across the end of the legs to carry 2x4 cross members?
I think what he has are likely S4S 4x4s ...actually 3.5" x 3.5" +/-
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Great post, Stick! Nicely illustrated.
I'm wondering if what Buddy is trying to do is rabbet across the end of the legs to carry 2x4 cross members?
I think what he has are likely S4S 4x4s ...actually 3.5" x 3.5" +/-
thought the same...
he could improve the joint a bit and make a blind half lap...
or go for beauty and strength w/ a blind half lap dovetail..

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Here's a general routing video. Not bad. The illustration is of a simple jig for cuttng dados or grooves. Clamp it in place so the fixed end runs right on the line for the top of the groove or dado, place a piece the same thickness as what you want to glue into the dado/groove. I always add a thick piece of paper, an old glossy political mailing will do. Then bring the bottom movable part up against the edge of the piece you're going to glue into the dado/groove. This will deliver a well fitted exact width opening.

The bit for this should be smaller in diameter than the width of the dado. It should have a top mounted bearing as shown. I prefer to use a fairly short bit and make several passes. The bit must produce a nice flat bottom. You will make one pass with it with the bearing up against the top guide, then pull it down and across the bottom guide. Simple, precise. Make 3 passes, no more than 1/8th at per pass. The bearing must remain against the guide so I'd make the guide of at least half inch stock. The illustrated jig requires that the top be attached to the side rails at an exact 90 degree angle. Or, if it's off slightly, oversized to you can clamp the top piece to the work piece.

Finally, since you're new to this woodworking habit, I've attached a fairly long PDF of the 17 plus things that accelerated my learning curve. It may help you avoid some costly missteps. It has lots of pictures.

Here's the video:

Here's a drawing of the jig, and a picture of a mortising bit you use for fairly shallow flat bottom dados. I disagree on the bit sets. But if you get a set, make sure it has the bit you need for cutting flat bottom dados. Freud makes great general purpose bits.
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