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Recently i bought a SIP dovetail jig, this worked alright and produced reasonable dovetails, i say reasonable because it only does half blind ones, and there is no option to do through ones. I shouldnt cast aspertions on what is a well made jig and suits its purpose very well, until a friend of mine said why not buy an 8 degree CMT cutter and a 1/4 inch wide straight shank bit, and make your own template up. I had some 20cm x 1m, 5mm aluminium sheet in the shed, and all the marking out tools needed? (STOP ME SOMEONE AT THIS POINT!!!!!). You know where this is leading. I have all the parts at present, the MLCS "Pins and Tails jigs" looked just what i wanted to make but a bit longer. But i cant find a stockist over here in the UK.
Also does anyone know of a good fixed spindle router which will accept both 1/2 and 1/4 inch bits suitable for routing out the tails. If anyone has plans for the jigs, i would be most appreciated, as i can have a stab at it, but i am sure i would wreck a good length of ally first time round.
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I have all the parts at present, the MLCS "Pins and Tails jigs" looked just what i wanted to make but a bit longer. But i cant find a stockist over here in the UK.
Hi Matthew

I'm afraid you'll struggle finding MLCS in the UK. If you want their stuff you'll have to buy it over the net and pay the shipping, I'm afraid.

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Also does anyone know of a good fixed spindle router which will accept both 1/2 and 1/4 inch bits suitable for routing out the tails.
Depending on your router that probably isn't necessary. Many plunge routers can be converted to what is, in effect, a fixed base router by simply adding a fine depth adjuster such as this model by Trend. the main advantage of a fixed base over a plunge router for jig work is the fine, incremental depth adjustment - a fine depth adjuster gives you that. Some routers, like the Freud FT2000 already come with them installed. If you want to go ahead with a fixed base router then there is only one "quality" tool on the market at present, the Bosch GMF1400, which ain't cheap. Ryobi, GMC and Draper all do their own brand Chinese-made versions, but they are none of them quality goods.

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If anyone has plans for the jigs, i would be most appreciated, as i can have a stab at it, but i am sure i would wreck a good length of ally first time round.
Have you thought about trying to set-out the jig yourself and experimenting with a cheaper alternative material? 4 to 6mm acrylic scrap from discarded signs, offcuts, etc can often be had for the asking from sign making firms

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Default Many thanks for a prompt reply.

The router i have is a EUGEN LUTZ (ELU) MOF31 1200w 18,000min. I have tried using perspex, but it makes an awfull smell if you use half inch cutters with no bearings or guides, and makes some funny pins to. I had tried Amazon.com for the templates and they are listed stateside , but go to ".co.uk" and they are not. The quality, simplicity and price was what brought me to the door of the MLCS Pins & Tails Through Dovetail Templates, i just need someone stateside to buy them for me.
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I don't know if you are prepared to spend a little money on a suitable jig but I can recommend the Dakota dovetail jig from Rutlands. I think it is around 50 complete with the cutters. I bought one a few years ago now and have never looked back. I have had a couple of the SIP type of jigs and found them very difficult to set up taking much longer than cutting the joints and they only make half blind joints. With the Dakota jig it will cut through dovetails and is so easy to set up and use. It consists of a thick ally plate which you mount on a block of wood or MDF and then it can be used with a hand held router or on a router table. Perfect joints every time and simple set up. Of course the joints are a set distance but for the price it is brilliant. HTH.
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Hi Matthew

Once you get feed up with SLP jig and in short order you will get the ez dovetail jig, dovetails made so easy it will blow your mind how easy you can put them in place ...and all the parts are always right on every time..
Many, many have a error with get the boards to line up at glue up time the ez jig makes it a very simple job..plus it will do both types of dovetails..


EZ-Pro Dovetail Jig from General Tools (Part 1 of 2) - YouTube
EZ-Pro Dovetail Jig from General Tools (Part 2 of 2) - YouTube

EZ Pro Dovetail Jig Kit Part 1 - YouTube

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Recently i bought a SIP dovetail jig, this worked alright and produced reasonable dovetails, i say reasonable because it only does half blind ones, and there is no option to do through ones. I shouldnt cast aspertions on what is a well made jig and suits its purpose very well, until a friend of mine said why not buy an 8 degree CMT cutter and a 1/4 inch wide straight shank bit, and make your own template up. I had some 20cm x 1m, 5mm aluminium sheet in the shed, and all the marking out tools needed? (STOP ME SOMEONE AT THIS POINT!!!!!). You know where this is leading. I have all the parts at present, the MLCS "Pins and Tails jigs" looked just what i wanted to make but a bit longer. But i cant find a stockist over here in the UK.
Also does anyone know of a good fixed spindle router which will accept both 1/2 and 1/4 inch bits suitable for routing out the tails. If anyone has plans for the jigs, i would be most appreciated, as i can have a stab at it, but i am sure i would wreck a good length of ally first time round.



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Dear all, thanks for your input, it is most appreciated. First of all i am looking to make through dovetails, and have watched the videos on Youtube with regards to the EZ-Pro series, it looks a very good jig, and well thought out, but that only does the half dovetails, the SIPS jig will make those with a lot of patience, and a lot of swearing. Many thanks Mailee with trying to provide an alternative, but the comments on the UK Workshop site regarding the jig from rutlands made my hair stand on end. You would have thought that the world was coming to an end by some of the posts. You would have thought that such an easy to manufacture would be quite commonplace, but i suppose why sell someone a cheap and efficient jig when you can sell them a rolls royce (Leigh) jig when they are under such pressure to get a job done. The MLCS Pins & Tails Traditional Thru Dovetail Jig retails at $89.95, thats both small and large templates, a bushing and two cutters, by the time postage to the UK is put on at $44.00, its starting to get expensive. As you Bobj3 are over there, have you used one, and if so did it work well for you. Here is a link to what i wanted:-

http://www.mlcswoodworking.com/shopsite_sc/store/html/smarthtml/pages/dovetailjig.html

Perhaps there is a kind soul somewhere who would buy this for me and post it on, i can pay by paypal or a cheque, or even transfer the amount. but $44.00 seemed a bit steep. The item is on Amazon but not in the UK. HELP???
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