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I own two versions of the new Craftsman routers, the 1-1/2 HP Bosch look-alike plunge router, and the 2-1/2 HP pro, and both, I think, are made by Bosch. Anyhow, After looking at the sheet metal guide that comes with the Pro three-piece router set, I got to wondering if a Bosch micro-adjustable guide would work. Well, the one I tried, did, and below is what I found.

First, I got a deal on a Bosch RA1051 router guide. This is the heavy plastic one with the micro-adjust knob on the one rod. The guide has four V grooves for the rods, that wing screws on the top hold the rods in place. The rods though, are around 3/8", and too big for the Craftsman, but, using the outer notches on the Bosch, the spacing is correct.

Next, I took the two smaller rods off the Craftsman guide, and placed those in the V grooves of the Bosch guide, and they do work, as they're 5/16", but not as long as the Bosch. Using them, you don't get as long of a reach as you would if the larger rods would have fit.

The fix is, go to someone like Online Metals, and go to their cold rolled steel rod section. Buy two pieces of 5/16" rod, at 18" to 24" long, then use them in the Bosch guide, and now you have a guide that will give you plenty of extension, with micro-adjustment. I used 1144 stressproof steel rod, as they didn't have 5/16" diameter in 1018 cold rolled rod. Last, be sure to chamfer the edges of the rod on a bench grinder, so they will slide easily into the router base.
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Will, what model numbers are these routers? The new Craftsman combo's are not Bosch, just inexpensive copies of the design. I have never seen if confirmed but my guess is they are built by B&D or one of their companies.

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Will, what model numbers are these routers? The new Craftsman combo's are not Bosch, just inexpensive copies of the design. I have never seen if confirmed but my guess is they are built by B&D or one of their companies.
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From what I've read, some say the model's below are made by Bosch, or from what I've read at a few other websites. A quick Google search will show these. My smaller one is a 1-3/4 HP (I messed up earlier, and said 1-1/2), plunge router, model 27666, and they also have a 2 HP model using the same base, model 27683, and a 2-1/4 HP, model 27669 with digital speed control. The plunge base is almost identical to the Bosch, except for the above table adjustment, and depth stop rod.

Now whether they're made by Bosch, or not, I'm not sure. They could have licensed the design, and built these, as patents would be involved, and Craftsman couldn't have used it without it. My guess is that the same company is making parts for everybody, see below.

The 3 piece combo set I have, is a 2-1/4 HP, model 28084, and has the D-handle base. There's still a two piece like this they offer, the model 27680. Now, I'm not sure on this routers plunge base, but I believe it is not Bosch, but actually modeled after the new Rigid. It uses the same fixed base design as the others, or like Bosch.

The models I have do not use the rack and pinion height adjustment, but one similar to Bosch, that uses the notched motor for quick settings, and a screw type adjustment. However, the Bosch does not have a plunge base that is adjustable above table like its Craftsman cousin does.

Here's the thing on Craftsman power tools in particular. They're mostly made by the same factory that produces Milwaukee, Ryobi, Ridgid, AEG, Homelite, Hoover, Dirt Devil, and Vax. The companies name is Techtronic Industries, and they're located in Hong Kong. It is a possibility that Bosch may use the same factory for a parts source, and maybe design, I don't know. Anyhow, Techtronic generally just modifies one of the named tools above, changes it color, and calls it a Craftsman.

The router guide I mentioned is a Bosch, and it works well with my Craftsman routers, but only after changing the rod sizes to 5/16". I think there is another model that may have already had the smaller rods, just like it.
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Mike, I went ahead and did the search on Google again, using the words "bosch craftsman router techtronics". Do the same, and you'll see several forums with answers on this.

In my opinion, Bosch is most likely using Techtronics, just like Ridgid is, for subcontracting their router designs. On the Techtronics website, (TTI), they mention, after looking through fine print, that they design, manufacture, and sub contract for other companies, or other than the brands they list, or the brands I mentioned above.
Plus, if I remember correctly, I could have sworn they used to have a Ridgid logo on the TTI website, but it's no longer there. Also, take a look at the Craftsman router table, model 61181, that is the same as the Bosch RA1181, and Techtronics says they manufacture router tables, along with a ton of other tools.

Some of the other Craftsman power tools are made by Black & Decker. Some of the table top power tools, etc., are made by a company named Rikon in Taiwan, along with another company named Rexon.

I would about be that Techtronics is making at least 75% of the power tools we use, here in the US, and in Europe, and it's just that we don't know it. There's no knock-offs, since the same company makes them all.
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From what I've read, some say the model's below are made by Bosch, or from what I've read at a few other websites. A quick Google search will show these. My smaller one is a 1-3/4 HP (I messed up earlier, and said 1-1/2), plunge router, model 27666, and they also have a 2 HP model using the same base, model 27683, and a 2-1/4 HP, model 27669 with digital speed control. The plunge base is almost identical to the Bosch, except for the above table adjustment, and depth stop rod.

Now whether they're made by Bosch, or not, I'm not sure. They could have licensed the design, and built these, as patents would be involved, and Craftsman couldn't have used it without it. My guess is that the same company is making parts for everybody, see below.

The 3 piece combo set I have, is a 2-1/4 HP, model 28084, and has the D-handle base. There's still a two piece like this they offer, the model 27680. Now, I'm not sure on this routers plunge base, but I believe it is not Bosch, but actually modeled after the new Rigid. It uses the same fixed base design as the others, or like Bosch.

The models I have do not use the rack and pinion height adjustment, but one similar to Bosch, that uses the notched motor for quick settings, and a screw type adjustment. However, the Bosch does not have a plunge base that is adjustable above table like its Craftsman cousin does.

Here's the thing on Craftsman power tools in particular. They're mostly made by the same factory that produces Milwaukee, Ryobi, Ridgid, AEG, Homelite, Hoover, Dirt Devil, and Vax. The companies name is Techtronic Industries, and they're located in Hong Kong. It is a possibility that Bosch may use the same factory for a parts source, and maybe design, I don't know. Anyhow, Techtronic generally just modifies one of the named tools above, changes it color, and calls it a Craftsman.

The router guide I mentioned is a Bosch, and it works well with my Craftsman routers, but only after changing the rod sizes to 5/16". I think there is another model that may have already had the smaller rods, just like it.
I thought some might be interested in the photo below. It is a capture from a magazine that shows an earlier model Craftsman router along with the Bosch. These are the two I would call twins, or the same model, with only a color change.

The ones out now have a slight difference with the above-table lift screw, where the Craftsman fixed base extends to the bottom of the router base, and the Bosch stops at the adjustment knob. I don't think that Bosch has yet to include one on their plunge base.
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Craftsman did have a Bosch made model. If the model # starts with 320. it is Bosch. If not it isn't. I am only aware of one model that was made by Bosch.
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I'm not sure what's going on with the manufacturing, to be honest. As I had read, somebody had ordered parts for their Craftsman router, and received them in Bosch bags on another forum.

The new ones, or the 1-3/4 HP model I have, is still a dead ringer, almost, for the new Bosch, except for the depth adjustment screw length, and the Craftsman model is now using rubber handles, instead of wood, but all else is pretty much the same, including the motor. This doesn't count the heavy-duty model, or the digital speed control models that Craftsman has. The HD model is closer to a Rigid, in design, for the plunge base, bust still like to Bosch on the fixed base.

I wonder why Bosch isn't including the above-table adjustment on their plunge base, as it works just fine, once you remove the rod springs? I have the 1-3/4 HP router in my table right now, and it's a slick setup to use, and easy to adjust. The only fault is using the spindle lock, as its under the table, and hard to reach. I ended up buying a set of bit extenders over it, that came with wrenches.

To be highly honest, I think that Bosch is using the same contractor to make their routers, or at least some models, as the other companies are, which is Techtronics.

I absolutely couldn't be happier with both models I have, as they have plenty of power, and no vibration, or no more than the expensive brands do. I just wonder how many other Bosch accessories will work with these routers, like the edge guide does? I know the router tables are the same.

I almost forgot to add that Online Metals now have 5/16" hot rolled rod, or they call it round bar, now in stock, and it is cheaper than what I used, however, it will probably bend and flex a little easier. Two 20" pieces of the hot rolled will run around $4.00 I think.

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I own two versions of the new Craftsman routers, the 1-1/2 HP Bosch look-alike plunge router, and the 2-1/2 HP pro, and both, I think, are made by Bosch. Anyhow, After looking at the sheet metal guide that comes with the Pro three-piece router set, I got to wondering if a Bosch micro-adjustable guide would work. Well, the one I tried, did, and below is what I found.

First, I got a deal on a Bosch RA1051 router guide. This is the heavy plastic one with the micro-adjust knob on the one rod. The guide has four V grooves for the rods, that wing screws on the top hold the rods in place. The rods though, are around 3/8", and too big for the Craftsman, but, using the outer notches on the Bosch, the spacing is correct.

Next, I took the two smaller rods off the Craftsman guide, and placed those in the V grooves of the Bosch guide, and they do work, as they're 5/16", but not as long as the Bosch. Using them, you don't get as long of a reach as you would if the larger rods would have fit.

The fix is, go to someone like Online Metals, and go to their cold rolled steel rod section. Buy two pieces of 5/16" rod, at 18" to 24" long, then use them in the Bosch guide, and now you have a guide that will give you plenty of extension, with micro-adjustment. I used 1144 stressproof steel rod, as they didn't have 5/16" diameter in 1018 cold rolled rod. Last, be sure to chamfer the edges of the rod on a bench grinder, so they will slide easily into the router base.
Will, I have the Craftsman 1-1/2 hp (27666) Router and also bought the craftsman edge guide, however the rods are too big. Was thinking about using your idea of changing out the rods but was curious as to how the rods were held in on the Bosch edge guide. The craftsman model has set screws in the ends of the rods.
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Will, I have the Craftsman 1-1/2 hp (27666) Router and also bought the craftsman edge guide, however the rods are too big. Was thinking about using your idea of changing out the rods but was curious as to how the rods were held in on the Bosch edge guide. The craftsman model has set screws in the ends of the rods.
To use the Craftsman guide, you would have to drill and tap the ends of the new rods. The Bosch has clamps on it that grab the outside of the rods, in three sets of v-notches, and can be used as a coarse adjustment, then the fine is done by the knob at the rear. This way, you don't have to shove the rods through the base for a coarse adjustment.

I read on the Craftsman website, I think from a review, that the sheet metal type edge guide wouldn't fit some of the routers they have, so I wouldn't buy it. They have another that is plastic, that mounts as a base plate, but I'm not too sure how well made that is.

Its according to how well you can position a drill, or maybe mount the rods in a drill press, with the table at parallel to the chuck, and drill the ends of the new rods for a tap. If not, and if you have a machinist friend with a lathe, he could do it easy.

If nothing else, do like I did, and catch a good auction on a Bosch, and buy a set of rods. This worked slick as a whistle.

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Hi Will, I have been looking at the Craftsman 27680 (because they don't make the 3 base model you have any more) and I was considering either this or the Bosch 1617EVSPK.

I just called Sears to find out who the manufacturer of the 27680 router was and it is Chervon Limited. Too bad it's not Bosch. I don't know how good of quality the Chervon is. From a couple personal reviews seems like people like this router and features even compared to the Bosch.

If anyone wants to know who makes Craftsman tools you can just call 1-800-377-7414 and ask - just tell them the model or item #.

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From what I've read, some say the model's below are made by Bosch, or from what I've read at a few other websites. A quick Google search will show these. My smaller one is a 1-3/4 HP (I messed up earlier, and said 1-1/2), plunge router, model 27666, and they also have a 2 HP model using the same base, model 27683, and a 2-1/4 HP, model 27669 with digital speed control. The plunge base is almost identical to the Bosch, except for the above table adjustment, and depth stop rod.

Now whether they're made by Bosch, or not, I'm not sure. They could have licensed the design, and built these, as patents would be involved, and Craftsman couldn't have used it without it. My guess is that the same company is making parts for everybody, see below.

The 3 piece combo set I have, is a 2-1/4 HP, model 28084, and has the D-handle base. There's still a two piece like this they offer, the model 27680. Now, I'm not sure on this routers plunge base, but I believe it is not Bosch, but actually modeled after the new Rigid. It uses the same fixed base design as the others, or like Bosch.

The models I have do not use the rack and pinion height adjustment, but one similar to Bosch, that uses the notched motor for quick settings, and a screw type adjustment. However, the Bosch does not have a plunge base that is adjustable above table like its Craftsman cousin does.

Here's the thing on Craftsman power tools in particular. They're mostly made by the same factory that produces Milwaukee, Ryobi, Ridgid, AEG, Homelite, Hoover, Dirt Devil, and Vax. The companies name is Techtronic Industries, and they're located in Hong Kong. It is a possibility that Bosch may use the same factory for a parts source, and maybe design, I don't know. Anyhow, Techtronic generally just modifies one of the named tools above, changes it color, and calls it a Craftsman.

The router guide I mentioned is a Bosch, and it works well with my Craftsman routers, but only after changing the rod sizes to 5/16". I think there is another model that may have already had the smaller rods, just like it.
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