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Default Dovetail Jigs PC 4216 vs Leigh D4R Pro vs PC Omnijig

I pulled the trigger on the PC 4216 Combo Kit for $185 after tax (Looks like it has gone up since buying it a couple days ago) from Home Depot. I might have the opportunity to pick up one of the other jigs up locally pretty much brand new for around $450. My issue is the price difference worth it to get one of the other units. I have no issue returning the PC 4216 to store if need be once I get it.

I do plan on getting a biscuit/plate joiner and want to know if its that difficult to do dovetails say doing two 12" boards and using biscuits to join them? Or should I just get the larger jig for over twice as much? The issues that worried with me with the 24" Leigh and the Omnijig is the fingers over time will no longer tighten correctly even after replacing them.

The sliding fingers don't seem too difficult to understand or set up but I am just worried about for the money having them wear down over time and not staying where I set them at with continued use. . To anyone that does have a 12" dovetail is it that much of a headache or difficult to dovetail two seperate boards and then biscuit them together?

If its pretty easy to accurately join two dovetailed boards together I am probably not going to worry about it and stick with my initial purchase. Just after reading some reviews the complaint of warn out fingers/bar seems to be a legit concern.

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Porter-Cable 12 in. Deluxe Dovetail Jig Combination Kit-4216 - The Home Depot

Includes template 4211 for half-blind, rabbeted half-blind and sliding dovetails
Includes template 4213 for through dovetails and box joints
Includes template 4215 for miniature through and half-blind dovetails and miniature box joints
Template alignment lines and router bit depth gauges allow quick, easy setup
Router bit depth gauges allow quick and accurate setting of bit depths without measuring
On-board instructions provide clear guidance for applications
Machined aluminum template provides superior cutting accuracy and long-term durability
No assembly required; clamps or bolts directly to work bench
Accommodates stock from 1/4 in. to 1-1/8 in. thick
Heavy-duty cam-type clamps with sandpaper-backed locking bars provide firm grip of wood
Includes: Half-Blind/Sliding Dovetail Template (model 4211), Through Dovetail/Box Joint Template (model 4213), Miniature Template (model 4215), Four Router Bits (models 43776pc, 43743pc, 43014pc, 43777pc), Four Template Guides (models 42037, 42040, 42046 and 42054), Two Lock Nuts, Wrench and Operating Manual
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FWIW...
I gave away my PC dovetail jig and bought the Leigh D4R because I wanted to do more better...

here's a few threads on those two jigs....

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I used a bottom-of-the-line Craftsman half-blind jig many years ago, then bought the Leigh D4R Pro a couple of years ago. I've built almost 2 dozen drawers with the Leigh. That's my only dovetail jig experience and I've never used other jigs. Having said that, the tolerances in making dovetail joints fit properly are in a couple thousands of an inch. I think joining two dovetailed boards together to make a wider one would be an exercise in frustration. Not saying it can't be done, but difficult and time-consuming. If there's any chance you'll want to make joints more than 12 inches wide, spring for the wide jig. I love the versatility of the Leigh D4R Pro. I'd buy the Leigh jig again in a second.
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I gave away my PC dovetail jig and bought the Leigh D4R because I wanted to do more better...

here's a few threads on those two jigs....

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Thanks. I have already been reading older threads and sorting through a bunch of topics elsewhere as well. It seems the D4R is quite popular but still has it share of bad reviews. I still can't get over the fact that sooner or they appear to wear to the point they are no longer accurate and the fix isn't as easy as replacing the fingers.

Coming from someone who has never done dovetails is it that difficult to dovetail two separate boards and then join them together accurately? If not, is it just too time consuming over having the larger 24" jig?
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Thanks. I have already been reading older threads and sorting through a bunch of topics elsewhere as well. It seems the D4R is quite popular but still has it share of bad reviews. I still can't get over the fact that sooner or they appear to wear to the point they are no longer accurate and the fix isn't as easy as replacing the fingers.

Coming from someone who has never done dovetails is it that difficult to dovetail two separate boards and then join them together accurately? If not, is it just too time consuming over having the larger 24" jig?
what bad reviews....
wear.... horse hockey... and it's the 1st time I've heard about it...
my last use of the Leigh was two thousand eight hundred (give or take a few) drawers and there's no wear to notice or speak of....

if you ever have an issue w/ the D4 call Leigh... their CS/TS is absolutely stellar....
WTB PC isn't.. I've been there w/ them...

if you wish to edge join two boards together, even at compound angles, go for it.. all it will take is some practice...
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if you wish to edge join two boards together, even at compound angles, go for it.. all it will take is some practice...
Stick, If I understand him correctly, he's talking about using his 12" jig to make boxes that are more than 12" tall. It would seem that getting the pins and tails to mate properly at that horizontal joint would be difficult . . . but I've never tried it.

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what bad reviews....
wear.... horse hockey... and it's the 1st time I've heard about it...
my last use of the Leigh was two thousand eight hundred (give or take a few) drawers and there's no wear to notice or speak of....

if you ever have an issue w/ the D4 call Leigh... their CS/TS is absolutely stellar....
WTB PC isn't.. I've been there w/ them...

if you wish to edge join two boards together, even at compound angles, go for it.. all it will take is some practice...
I read it on several reviews people reporting it. That is why I was skeptical. Had it been just one I wouldn't have taken it seriously. If I can get the Leigh for the right price I am going to pick one up and return the PC system.


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Stick, If I understand him correctly, he's talking about using his 12" jig to make boxes that are more than 12" tall. It would seem that getting the pins and tails to mate properly at that horizontal joint would be difficult . . . but I've never tried it.
That is what I was asking. I didn't think it would be that difficult but of course I've never done dovetail so my opinion on the matter means very little.
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Stick, If I understand him correctly, he's talking about using his 12" jig to make boxes that are more than 12" tall. It would seem that getting the pins and tails to mate properly at that horizontal joint would be difficult . . . but I've never tried it.
using a 12'' jig to make a dovetail joint on material longer/wider than 12'' is a real feat if not impossible unless you edge join several dovetailed pieces together...
the trick is to blend/meld it all together to look right unless some creativity is employed...
in effect stacking several bottomless/topless boxes together...

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I read it on several reviews people reporting it. That is why I was skeptical. Had it been just one I wouldn't have taken it seriously. If I can get the Leigh for the right price I am going to pick one up and return the PC system.

Any complaints?

I couldn’t find any complaints for this dovetail jig on consumer sites around the internet. If there is anything that users point out, it’s that it does require a little time to get it set up but the instruction DVD and manual are put together so well it makes it so easy – and once it is set up the results are amazing!
Did find one 2 star rating and that was operator's failure to comprehend the instructions...
the manual is so well written that I'd be prone to believe that the operator only skimmed the manual...

so could you link me please...


That is what I was asking. I didn't think it would be that difficult but of course I've never done dovetail so my opinion on the matter means very little.
see post #8...

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I bought my Leigh because it could do variable widths on the dovetails. I like mine a lot. I didn't use the DVD just the manual and had good joints on the 2nd try. The first try I goofed up the spacing. Having tolerances of .001 inches you can make some really good looking joints. You can get a less expensive model like the Super Jig 12, 18, or 24. You won't be sorry if you buy the Leigh. Where did you find the bad reviews?

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