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I can sum this up for you guys and end the speculation. Global warming is inevitable.
When we get a virus , our bodies (the host ) warms up and goes into a fever to kill the virus .
The Earth is basically doing the same thing , but we ( the humans) are the virus .
So as we overpopulate, the host will warm up in order to kill the virus , hence a culling .

Well , that's how they explained it in the movie the Kingsman lol
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BTW , I can't wait till it gets hotter where I live

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BTW , I can't wait till it gets hotter where I live
...followed by the locust swarm of the US population, stampeding into Canada, in what they'll call the Klondike Cool Rush.

I've already got a home site picked out, up on Bowron Lakes.

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But if climate warms up (it isn't), and population increases, more area will become open to food production, and there will be more food for all. What will reduce population will be making sure women get educated and the capital to invest in some way of feeding their families over time. Then they will choose to have fewer children and the population growth will slow.

Of course, that's not counting the nut balls running certain countries who seem determined to do the exterminating on an atomic scale. I often think of the Iranians nukeing Israel, then Israel drops its two dozen (known) nukes on the Arab world and bingo, there goes a few hundred million. Then Pakistan retaiates and sells nukes to be used other enemies of the Islamic world. A few make it to the U.S. and maybe get set off in ports like NY and L.A., so we retailiate, but not before the nutballs running Pakistan lob a few over into India, which retaliates by cleaning out Pakistan.

Then North Korea's insane A**hole decides its time to lob some into So. Korea and Japan, and we, in keeping with our treaties, lob some on North Korea, which causes the Chinese to lob a few here and there, and so on and so on.

That will thin the herd for awhile. Might be that Southeast Asia and the Aussies and maybe South America will get away without too much damage, and maybe the Canadians and Mexico.

And all of us old farts living in cheap, out of the way places are likely to get through, but our social security checks will certainly stop since all the young people in the nuked cities will be ash so won't pay into the SS system. But our power tools will be valuable again as the power grid is eventually revived.

Or, nothing will happen because we stop the nutballs now, irritating the heck out of them, but stopping their nuclear development. But of course, the nutballs will kill lots of their own citizens then because they'll all be cut off from resources, even food and the threat of death will keep them from revolting and killing the nut balls.

Or, we will fiddle fart around with meaningless sanctions and let the nuclear nutballs go their merry way.

Or, maybe sanctions with real teeth will go in place so NOTHING goes in or out of nutball-run countries and their military kills off the nutballs in a coup?

Who knows, but whatever happens, the cockroaches and capitalism will survive and we will start the merry-go-round again.

We'll see, maybe. Have a happy day Y'all.
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Harry, I completely agree with you, I am sorry the sarcasim in my previous post was not more evident. The very first thermometer I ever saw was read exactly the same as the ones I currently use, that said and considering that I am in my mid seventies, it would only be a another twenty-five year leap into the past to reach one hundred years ago. So i believe a 100 year old thermometer is the same as todays and very easy to read.
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I've already got a home site picked out, up on Bowron Lakes.
Interesting choice Rob and the details tie into the discussion. The Bowron Lakes area had a spruce bark beetle infestation take place starting in about 1979. It got pretty severe and in order to stop the spread the BC Forest Service initiated accelerated harvesting activities to try and remove the trees that had live beetles and larvae in them. Debarking at the saw mill killed them. The only practical method of harvesting was clearcutting since spruce trees are shallow rooted and blow down easily when left standing alone and the resulting clearcut was so large that it could be seen from outer space. About the 4th paragraph or so down the article linked next is the history of that and at the bottom of the article is a photo of what it looks like now. Upper Bowron Spruce Beetle Outbreak: Case History

Of course environmentalists were screaming bloody murder, that the area was destroyed forever. You couldn't have stopped that area from growing back if you tried to. The next two links show that. https://books.google.ca/books?id=E7Q...earcut&f=false
BC Liberal ?amazed? at Norm Macdonald?s forestry criticism : Revelstoke Current

So does this sound eerily familiar? Because it is basically just another version of the global warming warnings and I suspect that as history unfolds they will each be as accurate as the other.

Someone I consider a master woodworker once told me that a master woodworker is not someone who never makes mistakes. He is someone who is able to cover them up so that no one can tell.
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Of course environmentalists were screaming bloody murder, that the area was destroyed forever. You couldn't have stopped that area from growing back if you tried to...

So does this sound eerily familiar? Because it is basically just another version of the global warming warnings and I suspect that as history unfolds they will each be as accurate as the other.
Chuck, in the American Southwest, we also have a cycle of bark beetle destruction, dating back for decades, if not centuries. Clearly, the environmentalists that you were referring to were wrong. Scientists are often wrong. Einstein proved that Newton was wrong. Most scientists are wrong, most of the time. That's what makes them scientists.

The data now clearly shows that average temperatures are getting warmer. There is "global warming". In the recent past, many leading conservatives in this country did not believe in warming. The argument has now shifted. Now there is no dispute that temperatures are rising, even amongst conservative here, except in the VERY fringe. The question now is the warming man-made or natural. Yet I don't hear any of these conservatives admit how wrong they were in the recent past. Nevertheless, as a scientist myself who is often wrong, I'll let that pass.

I'm not a climate scientist. I do know a few of them. They are not rich, nor do they expect to get rich off of the idea. They are generally very humble, very smart, and total nerds. I do trust the science they do. It's far from the politics of the whole thing. They just want to make a difference and believe passionately in what they do. With their education, reputation, and professional pedigree, it'd be a lot easier and they'd make a LOT more money if they told Exxon they'd be their spokesperson. But they don't. To think they're in it to get grants, make lots of money, etc., is simply the most ridiculous thing that I have ever heard. It's totally absurd. Scientists love to be the outliers, and if it was straightforward to show that climate change was not real, not caused by man, and without potential serious implications, the "herd" would quickly go to that side.

All that said, these scientists will freely admit that it's not at all clear the long term affect of the CO2 perturbation that man has clearly caused. Prediction is very hard. Sure, there's a very small chance it does nothing. There's some modeling that says that it will be catastrophic. Or somewhere between. But what if this "herd" of scientists are correct? We only have one Earth. I can tell you with a lot of confidence that there's no way we can go to another planet, in even our youngest child's lifetime.

It's sad to hear so many folks, particularly those age 50+ (like me) who likely won't have to deal with the consequences, disparage the science with so much confidence. Ironically, as we all age, they expect the latest and greatest medical treatments that the same scientific process produces. I'm a cancer survivor and damn glad someone did the science that has prolonged my life. It's that same dedication that I see in climate scientists.

I'll go back to my woodworking and why I'm here on this forum. I hope that nobody was insulted by what I said.
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(AND HOLD IT)


Ian Rutherford Plimer is an Australian geologist, professor emeritus of earth sciences at the University of Melbourne, professor of mining geology at the University of Adelaide, and the director of multiple mineral exploration and mining companies. He has published 130 scientific papers, six books and edited the Encyclopedia of Geology.


Born: 12 February 1946 (age 70)
Residence: Australia
Nationality: Australian
Fields of Study: Earth Science, Geology, Mining Engineering
Institutions: University of New England, University of Newcastle, University of Melbourne, University of Adelaide
Alma mater: University of New South Wales, Macquarie University
Thesis: The pipe deposits of tungsten-molybdenum-bismuth in eastern Australia (1976)
Notable Awards: Eureka Prize (1995,2002), Centenary Medal (2003), Clarke Medal (2004)


Where Does the Carbon Dioxide Really Come From?


PLIMER: "Okay, here's the bombshell. The recent volcanic eruption in Iceland. Since its first spewing of volcanic ash has, in just FOUR DAYS, NEGATED EVERY SINGLE EFFORT you have made in the past five years to control CO2 emissions on our planet - all of you.

Of course, you know about this evil carbon dioxide that we are trying to suppress - it's that vital chemical compound that every plant requires to live and grow and to synthesize into oxygen for us humans and all animal life.

I know....it's very disheartening to realize that all of the carbon emission savings you have accomplished while suffering the inconvenience and expense of driving Prius hybrids, buying fabric grocery bags, sitting up till midnight to finish your kids "The Green Revolution" science project, throwing out all of your non-green cleaning supplies, using only two squares of toilet paper, putting a brick in your toilet tank reservoir, selling your SUV and speedboat, vacationing at home instead of abroad, nearly getting hit every day on your bicycle, replacing all of your 50p light bulbs with £5 light bulbs ..... well, all of those things you have done have all gone down the tubes in just four days.

The volcanic ash emitted into the Earth's atmosphere in just four days - yes, FOUR DAYS - by that volcano in Iceland has totally erased every single effort you have made to reduce the evil beast, carbon. And there are around 200 active volcanoes on the planet spewing out this crud at any one time - EVERY DAY.

I don't really want to rain on your parade too much, but I should mention that when the volcano Mt. Pinatubo erupted in the Philippines in 1991, it spewed out more greenhouse gases into the atmosphere than the entire human race had emitted in all its years on earth.

Yes, folks, Mt. Pinatubo was active for over one year - think about it!!!!

Of course, I shouldn't spoil this 'touchy-feely tree-hugging' moment and mention the effect of solar and cosmic activity and the well-recognized 800-year global heating and cooling cycle, which keeps happening despite our completely insignificant efforts to affect climate change.

And I do wish I had a silver lining to this volcanic ash cloud, but the fact of the matter is that the bush fire season across the western USA and Australia this year alone will negate your efforts to reduce carbon in our world for the next two to three years. And it happens every year.

Just remember that your government just tried to impose a whopping carbon tax on you, on the basis of the bogus 'human-caused' climate-change scenario.

Hey, isn't it interesting how they don't mention 'Global Warming' anymore, but just 'Climate Change' - you know why? It's because the planet has COOLED by 0.7 degrees in the past few years and these global warming bull artists got caught with their pants down.

And, just keep in mind that you might yet have an Emissions Trading Scheme - that whopping new tax - imposed on you that will achieve absolutely nothing except make you poorer. It won't stop any volcanoes from erupting, that's for sure.

But, hey, relax......give the world a hug and have a nice day!"
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