Originally Posted by Cherryville Chuck View Post
Of course environmentalists were screaming bloody murder, that the area was destroyed forever. You couldn't have stopped that area from growing back if you tried to...
So does this sound eerily familiar? Because it is basically just another version of the global warming warnings and I suspect that as history unfolds they will each be as accurate as the other.
Chuck, in the American Southwest, we also have a cycle of bark beetle destruction, dating back for decades, if not centuries. Clearly, the environmentalists that you were referring to were wrong. Scientists are often wrong. Einstein proved that Newton was wrong. Most scientists are wrong, most of the time. That's what makes them scientists.
The data now clearly shows that average temperatures are getting warmer. There is "global warming". In the recent past, many leading conservatives in this country did not believe in warming. The argument has now shifted. Now there is no dispute that temperatures are rising, even amongst conservative here, except in the VERY fringe. The question now is the warming man-made or natural.
Yet I don't hear any of these conservatives admit how wrong they were in the recent past. Nevertheless, as a scientist myself who is often wrong, I'll let that pass.
I'm not a climate scientist. I do know a few of them. They are not rich, nor do they expect to get rich off of the idea. They are generally very humble, very smart, and total nerds. I do trust the science they do. It's far from the politics of the whole thing. They just want to make a difference and believe passionately in what they do. With their education, reputation, and professional pedigree, it'd be a lot easier and they'd make a LOT more money if they told Exxon they'd be their spokesperson. But they don't. To think they're in it to get grants, make lots of money, etc., is simply the most ridiculous thing that I have ever heard. It's totally absurd. Scientists love to be the outliers, and if it was straightforward to show that climate change was not real, not caused by man, and without potential serious implications, the "herd" would quickly go to that side.
All that said, these scientists will freely admit that it's not at all clear the long term affect of the CO2 perturbation that man has clearly caused. Prediction is very hard. Sure, there's a very small chance it does nothing. There's some modeling that says that it will be catastrophic. Or somewhere between. But what if this "herd" of scientists are correct? We only have one Earth. I can tell you with a lot of confidence that there's no way we can go to another planet, in even our youngest child's lifetime.
It's sad to hear so many folks, particularly those age 50+ (like me) who likely won't have to deal with the consequences, disparage the science with so much confidence. Ironically, as we all age, they expect the latest and greatest medical treatments that the same scientific process produces. I'm a cancer survivor and damn glad someone did the science that has prolonged my life. It's that same dedication that I see in climate scientists.
I'll go back to my woodworking and why I'm here on this forum. I hope that nobody was insulted by what I said.