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I'll be handing out print-outs to all those well meaning zealots that enjoy spending mega-bucks propping up the organics industry...
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Not surprising Dan. I think the farmers I deal with in Northern Alberta when I work over there said expect around 30% of your normal harvest if you use chemical fertilizers. A few that checked into it with the idea that they might give it a try said that the extra money for organics don't compensate for the reduced yields.

The laughable part is that nitrogen is an element. The plant couldn't care less what type source it comes from and it doesn't matter the source, it still has the same number of protons, neutrons, and electrons otherwise it's not nitrogen anymore. The biological part of the organic fertilizer may affect the plants uptake of the nitrogen but it's still nitrogen. Same goes for the phosphate and potash components and sulphur as well.

As for the chemicals that fight crop pests and diseases, well we can't do without them anymore. Worldwide there already isn't enough food to go around and without intensive farming practices that include the use of genetically modified seed and crop protection chemicals there would be a lot less and what there is would be more expensive. One of my clients in Grande Prairie, a 3rd generation farmer who farms about 7000 acres, says that if we went back to non GMO seed that it would condemn 100,000 people to die everyday until there was a substantial population reduction.

A little "food" for thought.

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Organic crops are grown all over the world. Now we know the real reason for global warming.

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It really is difficult to know who/what to believe.
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It really is difficult to know who/what to believe.

AMEN to that. I heartily agree.
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It really is difficult to know who/what to believe.
Very true Harry. When the US under president Obama mandated that gasoline would have ethanol mixed with it he failed to consider all the consequences. The ethanol is produced from corn and corn became a lot more valuable. I was working in a feed plant (as in animal feeds) at the time. We suddenly couldn't afford to add corn into any of our mixes. Of course the price of corn meal went up which affected burritos, tacos, and the like. Corn requires a lot of nitrogen to grow so the price of nitrogen fertilizer went up increasing the cost of all other crops. And of course the reason for mandating the ethanol mix was supposed to be environment benefit but because corn was so valuable it prompted farmers to turn land that was too marginal to farm before that into corn crops. This previously marginal land were like little oases to wildlife and suddenly they were gone. So from every point of view you can think of the whole idea was a disaster but of course they wouldn't admit it and go back to the way it was. To admit that would be to admit incompetence.

Same goes for wind turbines. The amount of pollution in creating them is so high that there is no chance that one would ever make it's way back into the environmentally friendly column of a cost/benefit audit. And that's without considering the numbers of birds, particularly raptors, that die every year from hitting the blades or in cases where there are near populated areas the physical and psychological damage they do to humans with the constant noise the blades make.

It's seems to me to be one of those "be careful what you wish for" situations that people get and carry through without adequate consideration of the final outcome.
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and ethanol laced fuel give you less power and worse fuel mileage..
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and ethanol laced fuel give you less power and worse fuel mileage..
And it's terrible for 2 cycle engines. I've had to switch over to supreme grade for my chain saws that has no ethanol. I overheard my saw mechanic for the last 30 years telling another customer that if you haven't used a mix that has ethanol in it within ten days to pour it out and put new mix in.

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I only use Premium unadulterated fuel; people look at me like I'm nuts, when I'm at the pump.
"But it's way more expensive!" Uh, no it's not. As Stick pointed out, there's something like a 10% mileage gain with Premium (91+ octane).
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it's the death of your gas powered yard tools...
and raises havoc w/ generators..
doesn't store well..
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