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post #1 of 23 (permalink) Old 03-14-2019, 03:43 PM Thread Starter
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So Sunday (I think it was) I said that we didn't get out to the shed because of the busy day and we didn't get home till after 6. Also, that it was to be a busy week; also a story for another day. Well, the day is here.

About a month ago, Ken found new cracks in the archway between our living room and kitchen. We'd noticed every winter, how the wood slats in the floor would separate a bit, but figured "dry air", right? I'd also noticed the summer after we moved in, that when our daughter's border collie mix trotted through the house, that the living room floor "bounced" a bit. Well, after the new cracks showed up, I went into action, and called MichDry. Explained the "spongy" floor situation, and the new cracks, and that I was a bit on the worried side. I had known we were going to have to have jacks put in eventually, but the cracks creeped me out. They came out (the guy was a skinny one, thankfully, since the entryway to our crawl space is too small for either Ken, or my big @$$ to fit in, and expressed that when he got here.)

After going under the house, he comes out and shows us that from the front blocks that the house sits on, to the center beam in the house, there was no support beam; that means there is 15 feet of our house with no support. To fix this, we need a steel beam, and jacks under that beam. We also have one section of house that has our beam sitting on two 4x4's, a 2x4 and cinder blocks. Not a good situation. The cold has caused the center of the house to raise up. It's not dire to be done right this minute, but it's going to cost us more if we don't get the house on some steady foundations.

We couldn't finance through them. So, I asked them to give me a week to see about financing. Lo' n' behold, we were able to get a home equity loan. I told Ken that if I'm going to get a loan to fix the floor in the house, I may as well try for enough to get my garage, too.

Well, the angels were on my side, and I was able to get a significant amount above what was needed to fix the floor problem in the house. We now are trying to work through the mess with the Township and their rules, the cement contractors who are outrageously priced, and finding a way to move our shed so we can even start this project, as well as find someone to get the rough frame up.

We figured if we could get the rough frame put in (with the gables put on with the osb so we can roof it) then Ken and I can do the rest. Now's the time I wish I had some connections to get this foundation laid and the framing put up so we can get the rest done. Yes, it will get insulated... BEFORE the walls on the inside go up.

So there's the story for another day. It's going to be a busy summer.

P.S. I'm taking volunteers to help get me my garage if anyone close to me is interested...

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Good that you had it checked out...good luck with the repairs...and the new she-shed...

If I were close enough, I'd be there in a minute...like doing this stuff...

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House repairs are the down side of ownership. Amazing there's no support for all that span. At least you'll finally get that workshop up. Consider framing in 2x6 so you an use R38 in the walls and roof. It makes a difference, holding in the heat in winter and holding heat out in the winter.

Also, get some of the silver bubble radient barrier and put it in before the insulation. Particularly important in the roofing. We measured and it was almost 40 degrees cooler on the inside of the roof where the radiant barrier was compared to the bare roof 18 inches away. Get as much square footage as you can manage, you'll never regret it.

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Good Show, Barb, Wish you all the luck in getting a Garage and shop. Hope you find some young guys that will have it framed in a weekend,after the slab goes in.

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skip the steel and build a wood support...
way cheaper and easier..
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Having done work in many old houses and far too many close crawl spaces I've seen my share of building issues. As Stick said if code will allow there isn't a good reason not to use treated wood that I know of. It still requires the support that the steel does just maybe not as many but if all you're talking is that 15' then I think code here requires 3 supports. But then code may well be different there than here.

Not sure where "close" is.
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Another thing to check for is cross bracing between the floor joists. This spreads the load on one joist to the adjacent joist, stiffening up the entire floor. They are usually installed mid length in the joist, but for longer joists two sets at 1/3, 2/3 of the length could be done. Blocking between the joists is an alternate way of spreading the load and stiffening the floor. Either could be done for very little expense except for the installation labor. If you want to install a support beam, Stick's post is the way to go, and much cheaper and easier to do than a steel beam.

In Hawaii, treated lumber is used almost entirely for wood structures, because the termites eat everything not treated.

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@sreilly Steve, I'm in Michigan. The brace that wasn't put in was a cross beam. They're putting in a 15' steel cross beam 7ft in from the front of the house.
@CharleyL The cross bracing is fine. Plenty of those. I think back when the house was built, they just failed to put in the support between the front blocks and the center beam.

I have faith in the company doing the house work; lifetime warranty, and they're well established. Unlike the idiots I'm getting quotes on to do my concrete slab for my garage; that, on the other hand is driving me to the vodka and lemonade!
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Sounds about like my problem, but I think I am not quite so far along as you - I hope.

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Barb,

After the work is finished, have some plastic sheeting laid down on the crawl space dirt, covering the entire crawl space. Overlap the seams and tape them where you can. It will lower the house humidity, stop the musty smells in the house, and reduce the humidity variations Summer to Winter. Here in the South East where there are very few basements and lots of humidity problems, plastic covering of the crawl spaces is an absolute "must have", but few people here seem to realize this. My home is 70 years old and when I bought it 36 years ago it had no plastic. During the first Summer here we suffered with mildew problems, swelling floors, and constant sinus infections. Then I had two of my sons help me put in the plastic. It has made a huge difference both in the condition of the house and our health.

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