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You can search for the location of your picture files using Windows Explorer. if the default hides the directory path, change that to show the full path. Programs like Picassa generally have a master folder for the program with sub folders to hold the related data files. Try a search for JPGs and see what pops up. How you do that will depend on what version of windows you have, but you should be able to find it. Also, with a Windows Explorer screen open, you can check or uncheck whether you want to show hidden files. You can also hide or unhide file endings.

The problems arise because Mocrosoft presumes all users are too stupid to figure out how to store stuff, so they hide important information. Very frustrating to someone who once worked in DOS and almost all versions of Windows. I wouldn't trust my pictures to Google either. In fact, I avoid google as much as possible (this forum is hosted on Google, BTW, which may explain a few things), and search using DuckDuckGo. DDG uses your search terms to feed ads (pays the bills) but keeps no records associated with you. DDG is simple to set as the default search engine in most browsers, although I haven't tried it in Google Chrome. Google is full of bad guys they hired away from Mocro$oft.

Lots of good advice in this string so far, and I completely agree with using the folder structure to put your pictures where you can find them. Really takes very little time to create a new sub folder specifically for one topic. My data folders are all backed up to DropBox, and I have four computers that are frequently updated from Dropbox so I have multiple duplicates, and there's a copy on one of my daughter's computers as well. So family pictures are safe and available.
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All good, but a lot of 'files' have vanished.
Picasa does have a tree structure, but it does this automated thing where it compacts data without being told to. Doesn't seem to be an option
I don't use Win Explorer for anything (knowingly). Not giving them any chance of a foot in the door.
I think I need to get our IT guy to have a go at it as he's the guy that got us started on it. See if he can recover the files, then copy the pics to an alternate storage medium.
(Just for the record, it's PICASA not spelled with two S's or an 'o'
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You can search for the location of your picture files using Windows Explorer. if the default hides the directory path, change that to show the full path. Programs like Picassa generally have a master folder for the program with sub folders to hold the related data files. Try a search for JPGs and see what pops up. How you do that will depend on what version of windows you have, but you should be able to find it. Also, with a Windows Explorer screen open, you can check or uncheck whether you want to show hidden files. You can also hide or unhide file endings.

The problems arise because Mocrosoft presumes all users are too stupid to figure out how to store stuff, so they hide important information. Very frustrating to someone who once worked in DOS and almost all versions of Windows. I wouldn't trust my pictures to Google either. In fact, I avoid google as much as possible (this forum is hosted on Google, BTW, which may explain a few things), and search using DuckDuckGo. DDG uses your search terms to feed ads (pays the bills) but keeps no records associated with you. DDG is simple to set as the default search engine in most browsers, although I haven't tried it in Google Chrome. Google is full of bad guys they hired away from Mocro$oft.

Lots of good advice in this string so far, and I completely agree with using the folder structure to put your pictures where you can find them. Really takes very little time to create a new sub folder specifically for one topic. My data folders are all backed up to DropBox, and I have four computers that are frequently updated from Dropbox so I have multiple duplicates, and there's a copy on one of my daughter's computers as well. So family pictures are safe and available.
Tom, I do not trust any off site storage such as Dropbox. I have 3 NAS (Network Attached Storage) mirror drives on my network. These drives are mapped to each one of my computers. This way you do not have to have the same files on multiple computers. The main advantage of this is if you make changes to a file it is not necessary to copy it to another PC to work on it. It also allows me to make a change to a file and my wife has immediate access to the file. I think you can do this with Dropbox, but not sure. Also with the mirror drives if you make a change to a file it is also done on the mirror drive. This eliminates the task of doing backups or worrying of disk crashes. In 10 plus years of a NAS Systems I have yet to have a failure or lost file. One other advantage is if god forbid a fire or flood or other natural disaster happens, I grab all 3 dives and every file I need is on those drives.

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"... a fire or flood or other natural disaster happens, I grab all 3 dives and every file I need is on those drives."
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DropBox automatically backs up every file. If two people work on the same file at the same time, it saves a "conflicted copy" so you can recover changes from both. I simply turn on my other DropBox connected computers and they automatically update. The computers are located in several physical locations, plus my 2 laptops (Win7 and Win10), on my daughter's lap and desk tops, and also on the DropBox server, so in a fire when I'm away, I lose nothing. It also gives my daughter access to the family pictures. She has a couple of private folders on dropbox for her personal stuff, and a couple of our associates have access to select DropBox folders that concern them.

DropBox also has a public folder where we keep material we occasionally download to new clients, in our email newsletter, facebook and as attachments to emails. You go to the folder and get a link to that particular file, insert the link and others can access it via the link.

We have about 300 gigs of material, including many training and personal videos. We pay $100 per year for 1 Terabyte of storage. And if you're late paying or I die again, they don't erase any of it, just in case. It is also encoded on the DropBox servers, but not on our local computers, and only we can have access to the DropBox servers.

In case you can't tell, I'm very happy with Dropbox. If we want, we can even keep a calender on DropBox so we can all monitor a schedule. But my daughter insists on using Google calendar shared, which I seem to get disconnected from all the time. We would each have to have some sort of calendaring program on our key computers to make that work. Maybe someone knows of a free or low cost calendaring program we could use? It would need to allow us to select a folder on the DropBox backed folders.

My daughter lives and dies by her smart phone, and she can even access, link and download any DropBox file from that.

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.......letting a program do it for me. All that is necessary is to treat your your digital storage as if it is a large file cabinet. You have a large file folder that you give a name to, inside that large file folder you have smaller fie folders. You name the smaller folders to either a an original designation of the digital files and other small folders for revisions of that designation.

To give you an example................

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This sounds exactly like what I do. When downloading from the camera when it's plugged into my computer, I just cut and paste the files into one of many folders that I've established in the main folder, "My Pictures". If I have a photo that I want to copy in more than one location - e'g' "Workshop" and also in a sub-folder "Jigs", I just copy the file, paste it in the first folder and then cut and paste it in the second. Sure wish it was that easy to archive 35 mm photos - I scan and save in folders but it's tedious and so I'm way behind on that, got maybe 3 shoe boxes filled with envelopes full of prints.
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...Sure wish it was that easy to archive 35 mm photos - I scan and save in folders but it's tedious and so I'm way behind on that, got maybe 3 shoe boxes filled with envelopes full of prints.
I found a little gadget that takes a photo of either a 35mm negative or slide. Has a built in light source and produces JPGs of fair size and resolution. I found my first daily paper (I was a writer/photog combo person) gave all its old negatives to the historical society, and somewhere along the line, I plan to go copy all those negs as positive jpgs. There are now many more of these than when I bought mine, here at https://smile.amazon.com/s?k=slide+c...b_sb_ss_i_1_12

These simply take a picture, which you can later manipulate with software. My old newspaper negs are all TriX, higher contrast and slightly grainy, so I have would up reducing contrast slightly and sharpening them. Takes a few seconds per neg. I didn't notice what size negs or slides they take, but haven't found any for 2 1/4 or larger, but the vast majority of my working negs are 35mm, mostly taken with the sharpest lens I ever found, a 2.8 50mm Nikor.

My oldest negs are from a Rolli, back in high school. I can copy those to digital using my computer screen as a source and using the macro part of my Nikon zoom lens.

I switched over at one point from Nikon Fs to F2s. I lost a couple of the old ones, but the Fs now reside with my granddaughter. One of the F2 had a poor winding mechanism so I only got 18-19 frames on a roll of 20. We also reloaded our own film at the paper with 12 exposure rolls so we didn't waste film when we had only one or two shots to process.

We printed our own selection of negs exact size, and used one of two machines (Fairchild) that had a hot stylus that produced plastic halftones that got glued onto the hot type pages laid out on steel tables. These were used to form paper mache forms that were then filled with hot lead in a molding machine. Those lead plates went on the press, an old Goss Rotary press built about 1912. It was surprising how well those halftones printed. Of course we were using the ink with carbon black and the old ink base. Today inks are made in suspensions of vegetable oil and everything turns gray.

Our back shop foreman was crazy after working all those years around hot lead. When we converted to cold type, something I knew very well and he didn't, I'd go down and help them/teach them, without making any kind of comment and he got much friendly and more respectful. I had an assistant editor who did inside page layouts and he knew paste up as well, so life was far friendlier between editorial and the shop after the conversion.

Sorry for going so far off topic, but my memory of one of my favorite jobs ever took over my old brain. Holy cow, that shop foreman was named Frank Gushwa. Where'd that come from?

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Amazon lists many pages of gadgets to copy from 35mm down to 8mm frames, up to 22 megapixels. Here's the first of the lot, which has a 4.5 star review. But there are many others. https://smile.amazon.com/KODAK-Mini-...s%2C195&sr=8-1

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"... a fire or flood or other natural disaster happens, I grab all 3 dives and every file I need is on those drives."
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Yes, that is a drawback. I guess I'll make sure I'm home.
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