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Hi Barb.
If the second story is high enough to stand up in, I'd go with stairs, however, if not, I'd use the fold up ladder. Don't forget that the roofing material will have nails popping down through the roofing, so you will have to either be careful about standing up or put up some sort of wall board. That should be stacked up in the loft BEFORE you enclose the ceiling. You'll never get wall covering up there otherwise. For insulation to work, you must enclose it, so for R38, you must have 2x6 beams. For covering, you could use 1/4 ply, which will be easier to put up. In fact, I'd do all that before doing enclosing the ceiling on the lower floor.

Get and install Racient Barrier under the roofing before you install the insulation. We found a 35 degree difference between raw and radient barrier covered areas in my garage. If your walls are 2x4 on 16 inch centers, you can only get R13 in there, so be sure to use the radiant barrier in first. It will really help keep summer heat out and winter heat in.

For my office shed, because we're subject to potenrial flash floods, I prepped the base of crushed rock, by digging holes down through the hard pack so flood and water run off from the roof could drain. I dug 5 holes (I like digging holes). I put up a frame to hold rocks in. Treated 2x8 and purchased bags of crushed rock to form a 6 inch base, then used a tamper to tamp the rock down and LEVEL. The jaggedness of crushed rock makes it lock itself down tight--it is pretty stable. Don't know if you can trust a contractor to tamp it down as tight or level as I did. My shop/shed was rolled in on a trailer, and one corner dipped down a bit because the rock base wasn't tamped down (lesson learned).

If the loft is fully insulated, and not high enough to stand up, then you are not going to want to put much large stuff up there. If you insulate the roof to R38 and inclose the insulation, you could just put loft flooring in each end and leave the rest open in the center. That will give you access to the storage areas so you can put up larger boxes. And you can do it with just a ladder, fold down or free standing.

In fact, you could make a 4x6 foot opening in the middle for easiest access. You'd have to reinforce the 2x lumber around the perimeter and put in a cross beam between the joists(?). That way you could put up the floor after, and get almost any size item up there.

You should probably have the contractor install an opening for an AC in a wall where there's electricity. Get a standard size AC before so the opening can be made, that way if it ever fails, you can just plug a new one in. I would not buy a used one. The AC opening will require framing and sealing to keep the weather out. I used a long piece of flashing and lots of sealer to force water to drain very wide of the opening.

I know this is a lot of detail, but I'd rather anticipate and make these choices before starting construction rather than later, although many of these items can be done to the completed shed. Go Barb!
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For my office shed, because we're subject to potenrial flash floods, I prepped the base of crushed rock,
You have a lot more faith than me. In an area like that, I would have mounted it on a pontoon boat, or made pontoons out of barrels, added a strong chain with a large anchor on the end, and buried the anchor. Then hope like Hell it would stay if it floods.
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You have a lot more faith than me. In an area like that, I would have mounted it on a pontoon boat, or made pontoons out of barrels, added a strong chain with a large anchor on the end, and buried the anchor. Then hope like Hell it would stay if it floods.
It's not that bad Theo. I dug down below the hard layer all over the property, every planging goes down 3-4 feet, so we have lots of drainage. Everything is raised above the level water would reach even in a terrible storm.

When we bought out here in the desert, the first winter was the worst in many decades, and we saw the damage water could do. So we chose a property that's a little higher than most around us, built the sheds up higher, and out of the likely flow pattern. We'd need to have 4 feet of rushing water for the flooding to reach us, then another 2 feet to cover the bottom of the sheds. That kind of water only happens in a dry wash.

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yup.. after final inspection. MIGHT even give Ken a small corner somewhere in there
I sorry to hear of your loss, I know it takes a while before thoughts don't bring tears to your eyes.

You're generous, I offered to get my wife a storage building and I said something about using part of it temporarily to store stuff while I insulated the shop and she said I needed to get my own storage building.

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I sorry to hear of your loss, I know it takes a while before thoughts don't bring tears to your eyes.

You're generous, I offered to get my wife a storage building and I said something about using part of it temporarily to store stuff while I insulated the shop and she said I needed to get my own storage building.
Oh Mike, you poor thing!!! Gotta say, though, got a good chuckle out of it this morning.

Thank you for the condolence. Yeah, there are moments when talking about him (and my mom in-law, my mom, and my dad) that I still tear up in remembrance. But all of them pay us a visit now and again, I can feel it. Dad was the one I/we could always count on to talk us through decisions, rather than yell at us telling us "what do you want to do that for!?" or "You don't have the money for that! You need to worry about (this or that)!" We counted on his wisdom or guidance for a lot of things, and without that, we feel lost. Mom had a sense of humor that I never knew a mom could have till I married Ken; I miss her laugh (among other things.) My mom was the one who was the most serious of the bunch, but was there to lend us a guiding hand, and helped us out in a lot of ways that Ken's mom and dad couldn't. (My mom had one child, compared to five in Ken's family.) Daddy passed back in 1997, and didn't know me the last 4 or 5 years of his life. So technically, I lost him in my mid 20's, but he was the gentle, quiet one of the bunch. His laugh, I can still hear every so often, (like I did just now, as I was typing this) and his gentle hugs are what I miss the most.

So, we move on, and although they aren't here physically, I take comfort knowing that they do pop up from time to time to look over us. I talk to all of them, and when I'm not sure about something, I "put it out there" asking them to guide me in the right direction. I did it for this shed I'm getting, since the earth-bound so-called family (as usual) let me down (yet again) and failed to show as they said they would to help advise what to do, and get their advise. I'll refrain from saying what I want to say, as it would include the "F" bomb... Ah well.

This morning, I'm going to go rent a jackhammer for Ken, since my not-so-bright daughter (who has a perfectly good one we could use) let her idiot of a boyfriend keep hers at HIS mothers house! We have a small piece of concrete that looks like it was the floor to the original shed that has the middle of it all gone that has to come out. We originally thought we could just bury it, but after leveling out a portion of the area for the new shed, it's become apparent that it's gonna have to come out.

However, before even doing that (Ken is working today, so time is not of the essence to get this first thing this morning) I'm heading over to a canvas shop to see if they can cut the new roll of shade material I bought for the pergola. I had to get it 12' wide, so it has to be cut down to just over 9' wide to go on my pergola. Then I need to get the plants/flowers replanted that we got when Dad passed. My day is gonna be a bit busy, it seems. Now if we can hurry up, and get this workshop built so I can get to busy on these patterns I have... I'm going through withdrawals!!! I need sawdust, dammit!
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@DesertRatTom thanks, Tom, I'll run everything you said by Ken, and maybe even print things out for reference once it's up so he'll be able to picture it. Sometimes he's a bit hard-headed about things till he can envision them.

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Because here in Australia we are upsidedown turning the photos is easy!!

I really am sorry to hear of your loss Barbie having lost my mother and father and mother many years ago.
@harrysin Harry, you're my hero!!! Thank you for turning those pictures for me!!!! *MUAW*

And thank you for the kind words... it's the loneliest feeling, being without your parents. Ken told me he can't imagine being an only child and both parents being gone. He said he at least has siblings; something I don't have. (Well, not raised with, anyway. I have to older half-brothers from my biological family, but no idea who they are and vice versa.)
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My dad passed in 1975, my mom in 1994. The older brother died in 2004, the day after the first family gathering in a decade, two sisters passed away about 10 years ago and my younger brother went last year. That leaves my next older brother (the rocket scientist) and me. And yes, it gets to be a lonely feeling. In senior groups, a lot of friends pass away every every year or two, so I almost never go to funerals anymore. It's just too distracting. The thing is to keep living, to keep putting things into your future to keep pulling yourself forward. Participating actively in this forum is one of those things.

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It's not that bad Theo. I dug down below the hard layer all over the property, every planging goes down 3-4 feet, so we have lots of drainage. Everything is raised above the level water would reach even in a terrible storm.

When we bought out here in the desert, the first winter was the worst in many decades, and we saw the damage water could do. So we chose a property that's a little higher than most around us, built the sheds up higher, and out of the likely flow pattern. We'd need to have 4 feet of rushing water for the flooding to reach us, then another 2 feet to cover the bottom of the sheds. That kind of water only happens in a dry wash.
You must like digging then. I've done digging before, and decided then and there, nevermore, nevermore. At our county seat, when the flood level reaches 8 feet that usually means get ready for about 2 feet over the bridge into town, because it's likely to end up at about 10 feet, if I recall right. So, if it is possible to happen, it likely eventually will. Way I figure best to have an ark on hand, and a map to Mount Ararat. Loads of people think water is not that powerful, which is why cars get swept away trying to cross flooded crossings. When I was at Fort Hood an APC got parked in the wrong spot, flash flood water carried it a hundred yards or so downstream. And an APC is a lot heavier than a car.

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