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post #1 of 31 (permalink) Old 04-29-2019, 07:34 PM Thread Starter
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First, let me apologize for some of the pictures being sideways. No matter what I did on my end, they refused to upload in the right perspective. But when I clicked on them, they're correct. *smh*

So for the last six weeks things around here have been a bit tense. Ken flippin out over getting the shop packed up so we can get the new "Pole Building" going, getting the permits, the concrete contractor, someone to build the frame so we can do the rest, and the list goes on n' on.

Well, the guy to do the concrete was six grand; the guy to do the framework was $3500, and the materials (right down to the last nail) was around $5800 I think. So talking to the guy to do the framework, I ask for an email for something in writing... needless to say, it never came, and I haven't heard from him. On to Plan B (which, at the time, there was no "Plan B".)

I knew we needed to find a small shed to first, hold everything that was in my shop before we could tear it down. I found one at Menards; a vinyl shed 10x8. It was supposed to have a skylight.... when we got it home, there was no skylight. Oh yay. To make a long story short, the mgr at Menards was a failure at resolving it (surprise surprise) and somehow I knew this would happen, so I had also contacted the company. At the end of MY conversation, I had a panel being sent to me (at no chg) with a window in it from the deluxe model. It slowed the building process by almost a week (our shed sat there with a tarp over it protecting the new floor we had built.)

Sunday, the 14th, Ken and I had spent the day with his dad at Ken's sisters. Dad wasn't doing so well, so we were out there all day. Anyway, on our way home, we stopped at Mid Valley Structures. Ken's thought was "Let's just see what they have. You never know." So, we pulled in, and I found it; It wasn't a garage, it wasn't a pole structure, but it was SHARP! We walked in, and the ROOM in this thing! It had room for a loft; no garage door, double "barn-style" instead, but... I was already seeing my shop in this building, and I was happy!

Unfortunately, we got a call at 3:25 the next morning, and dad had passed. So the next week was spent preparing to go to Upstate New York where dad had to be transported to for his final arrangements he had made when Ken's mom passed back in 2016. We left Thurs. morning, stayed at our Aunt's in Rome, and had the viewing Sat. the 20th, with a small service. (Easter) Sunday was spent on the road, coming back home. While in New York, we had to decide when we would come back for the burial, as dad wanted to be cremated and placed in the urn mom was in. Dad was a vet, so he will get the military honor, so we have to go back again in Aug. It was hard saying goodbye to the only dad I've had for over 20 years; my dad passed back in 1997, had Alzheimer's, and didn't know me for the last five years of his life. It was even harder for Ken having to say goodbye to his last living parent. It's been a bit rough. But we know his dad is with mom, and they're happy again.

I took five days for bereavement from my job. Three was given, and the other two I took personal and vacation time. Wed. morning, I called for a dumpster to be delivered, and made the trip back to Mid Valley. I was pleasantly surprised to find out that the model was only 14 x 20, and what I want is 16 x 24. Needless to say, I'll have one heckuva shop. No, it won't have a concrete floor, so no garage work, but it will be 2 x 8 deep tongue-in-groove flooring. The model has a metal roof, but that's too expensive for my blood, so I went with the (black onyx) shingled roof. Also getting it sided in the color I picked out from Lowe's (got a discount for providing my own siding) and it's the same siding I want for the house, so it will match. I was told they're four weeks out from the time it's considered site-ready, so I told her to put us down as site-ready, giving me now just over three (3) weeks to get the ground leveled. (hint hint: any Michigander guys with access to a skid loader, I'd love to talk to you. Ken is trying to do this manually, and I'm worried about him doing this alone. No one is available to help.)

Wed. night we started tear-down. I had asked for assistance from local friends on facebook,.... got one reply; sent me a text on my cell telling me she just read my post, didn't have any tools but could help throw the debris in the dumpster. The pictures of the tear-down will tell that part of our adventure.

Today, FSM showed up and fixed my floor situation. I can now walk through my house, without my plants shaking in fear glad I went through them, since a permit had to be pulled, and had to be passed by the township building inspector. Having these guys do it, they had the pictures of everything done, making it easy to be passed.
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Wow, 16 x24 is a nice size. Mine is 12x24 and I often wish I'd popped for the extra four feet of width. Looks like you're going to be swimming in space, at least until you fill it up. Plenty of room for table saw, router stuff, nice workbench. You going to wire it?
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yup.. after final inspection. MIGHT even give Ken a small corner somewhere in there
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Cool. Seeing that it's set on 4x, during winter the floor will get VERY cold. I put a wood "skirt" around the bottom so the air won't blow through, but you could also pull some insulation through before putting the skirt on, just use a couple of pvc pipe together and tape onto the insulation backing. A little tug'll do ya. I just used 6 inch wide fence pickets, cheap at HD or Lowes. It also keeps the critters from nesting and dropping dead under your shed. I wish I'd put the insulation in under the shop...I'll never get around to it now.
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My condolences to you, Ken and the family...tough days for sure.

Best with your new space...sounds great...

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The loft in your new shop is a great idea.Amazing how fast it will fill up though. Regarding Tom's advise ,if you decide to add a skirt around the base,I suggest you dig a trench to 12 inches deep to set the skirt in.Doing that will prevent pest critters from getting under.Sorry to hear of your loss Barb. All the best to you & Ken. James.

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Barb:

Condolences on the loss balanced by great news on the ew shop. All good things as they say.

Tom’s idea for using the pickets is a good one. I stapled wire screening to the back of mine before I put it around the base. Does a better job of keeping out the critters and blowing debri from the yard.

An alternative to insulation uNder the floo would be to add firing strips and styrofoam to the inside floor and then resheet it.loose a outlet of inches of head space but it works.
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That overhead space will really come in handy. Adding fine chicken wire (coated) to the bottom of the pickets will do the trick. I wouldn't add a second layer to the floor. That overhead height is useful. The important thing is that the insulation be sealed in, and the skirt will do that. When you dig the trench, you might want to fill it with crushed gravel to create a French drain for the runoff from the roof.

About Ken, I remember how wierd it seemed when my last parent, my mom, died. Your parents are the very last ones to love you and stand behind you, no matter what. But they will come to visit him with remembered advice from time to time. My mom used to say, "and this too shall pass," and I can hear her voice saying it. My dad was one of the most friendly people ever. His funeral had more than 200 people show up that we'd never met, and they told lots of stories about his kindness and good cheer. He quietly befriended and helped a lot of people over the years. What's left are the great memories.

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First, let me apologize for some of the pictures being sideways. No matter what I did on my end, they refused to upload in the right perspective. But when I clicked on them, they're correct. *smh*
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Barb,

I was very frustrated by this on another forum, but have not found it a problem here yet. Here is something you can try.

In each file's "Properties" there is a field called "Orientation" that controls how the photo is viewed. I found that the photos I was posting only showed "correctly" when this field is "Upper Left" which I think means "Landscape". "Upper Right" is "Portrait" IIRC. That field is set when the photo is taken. I found that photos showed in Landscape only when that field was originally set as "Upper Left". By that I mean that I could not change that field to "Upper Right" and have the photo display as Portrait.

The workaround that I found was to take all photos that I thought I might want to post as "Landscape", backing off to include what I wanted in the image. And then, in my photo editor, crop the image down to what I wanted to show in the posted photos (not necessarily the standard "portrait" aspect ratio) and save it. For web posted images, I also reduce the file size to 640x480 pixels, or some other combination, but the largest dimension is always 640 (Landscape = 640x480, Portrait = 480x640).

This preserves the original "Orientation" property setting (since I couldn't change it manually) but lets me post images that are taller than they are wide that display that way. You'll have to figure out how to do the cropping and resizing in whatever photo editor you are using, but it isn't difficult if you find an easy to used editor. I use ACDSEE, but I'm sure nearly all editors allow this much editing function.

Good luck and let us know if this works, if you try it.

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For access to the loft, you might want to consider installing one of those fold-down attic access ladder. Or you might want to put a staircase in if you intend to go up there for storage of anything too heavy to handle on a ladder. Funny how someone else's new shop sets all our imaginations afire.

In my travels in the upper midwest, I found HD displaying a 2 story shed that was available in lots of sizes. It had a gambriel (Dutch Colonial) shape, so the second story usable space was a little smaller. The 16x24 version was pricey but in those days, I could have afforded it. It was built with 2x4 lumber, but I'd add 2x2s and R38 insulation in the walls. I'd also have added many more windows and a back door. I think about it from time to time.

It was technically a shed, but If I bought it, I'd pour a slab to install it. I'd also wire and plumb it and maybe set up a composting toilet, a more important accommodation as I get older. I guess you plug these in. A privacy wall too. I think I just wrote a fantasy story. But what's a fantasy story without an illustration?
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