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Over this past several years it seems like we are becoming fewer in number. There seems to be less truly active posters in all of the woodworking forums, except for us totally dedicated hard core woodworkers. Magazines about woodworking are dwindling too, although some of the same information is now available in the internet.

I was just thinking that "We need a new Norm". Others have tried to take his place, but none connected with their followers like Norm did.

What can we do to revive the interest in woodworking? Although I've been building things nearly my whole life, Norm awoke a deep interest in me with some of his project choices that got me much more active in building furniture than I ever did before his show. Some of the YouTube videos by others have helped me get more interested, but none so far have done to me what Norm did. I think the whole hobby of woodworking has been slowly dying since Norm retired. Does anybody else feel this way? I think the woodworking hobby industry needs another shot in the arm to wake it up like Norm did. Am I the only one who feels this way?

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You might be right,Charlie, I like to show anyone who will listen how I do things and my bad habits.
If I had a shop like Norm had, with every tool known to man I could really get with it. He could turn out more in a 3 min. commercial than anyone I know of. I think a lot of his following was from the "This old house" series too.

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I think a good part of it is the fault of youtube. They have some great videos on all types of how to subjects. But far more of some idiot who apparently saw a video on whatever subject, says "Hey, I can do that.", then makes a video "teaching" how to do it. One I particularly hate (won't name channel) moved to the country to "homestead". Hah, homestead my a$$. And now he produces video after video that are really stupid. He blew a hole in his roof, trying to clear it of snow/ice. He had one "teaching" how to throw a knife, and the knife came flying back and almost stuck him. He "tests" all sorts of "tools" and apparently gets a kickback every time someone buys one. New car, new tractor, etc. What he did was buy an already set up hobby farm apparently. Arrrghhh. The man even girdled a tree before he cut it down. If I recall right he cut the tree down with a crosscut saw, him and his son. And not a clue how to use a crosscut saw, thought he was going to bend or break it. There's more, but my stomach is starting to get upset.

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It’s a depressing thought , but I’ve noticed it to . I have also noticed we’ve had new members join who are posting though .
I think woodworking is going to become a lost art with millennials , as I just don’t think the majority of them are interested in this hobby , as their not hands on people .
I’ve always liked to work with my hands and have a great appreciation for most things I build.
Luckily I have you guys to give me direction. You all may have noticed I’m not a good listener though lol
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My son in law just made his first project using the table saw I gave him a couple of years ago. He got that look in his eye when he described how the blade cut through the wood, turning what by hand would have been a tiring chore, into a pleasurable experience. I plan to give him some other tools from time to time, and if he's interested, will leave them to him in my will.

He told me he watched a lot of Youtube videos before trying things out. But getting him interested has taken a number of years. He does a lot of 4 wheeling, but he's beginning to feel sore joints and the long term effects of hard landings. So I think he'll start making some things and get hooked.

Tommy Mack looked kind of promising there for awhile, but his slugging pals in the arm and other antics became annoying to me. The new guy they picked up for the show is, yawn, sleepwalking through the broadcasts. WoodSmith shop is a little stilted, but they are focusing on simple methods and using basic tools to do everything. They aren't trying to peddle tools, which I think is good. But they don't really connect the way Norm did. I think Norm always addressed the person who was watching him, not the camera. It is a subtle difference, but he always made you feel a little like you were in the shop with him.

The other thing that works against the present shows is that they do something once, say, cut one corner of a drawer, then say, repeat on the opposite side. Editors are also guilty because modern editing seldom lets a shot run more than 5-8 seconds, so it's always choppy, not enought time to process what you're seeing.

And I think that because decent tools are now pretty expensive, this is a mature person's game. I know for myself, I watched Norm for years, but didn't really start woodworking until I had a long stretch of making much better money so I could afford decent tools.

As to not many projects posting right now on the Forums, I know I'm doing a lot of DIY and fixit projects just now, not so much woodworking. I don't think I'm alone. My current project is fixing up my DC setup in the shop so I can recirculate the AC/heated air and work comfortably most of the year. But I counted 11 major drip irrigation hose leaks out back and need to replace maybe 500 feet of drip system hose. Takes forever, have to dig a lot, glue up connectors, run new drippers to replace the clogged up ones. Since another two weeks of dry weather will kill off a lot of my plants, woodworking has to take a back seat.
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As others have noted, Norm had a real way of connecting with the audience. Toward the end of his run on NYW, he had a workshop that everyone would envy – but I remember when HDTV started up, they used to run some of the original old New Yankee workshop videos and Norm was able to do some pretty impressive work with a contractor's tablesaw and a router table that was a little less functional than most of the people on this forum have. We are fortunate to have a number of good YouTube video producers, although there are far more that miss the mark. It seems like they have to try to be humorous in a gratuitous and unnecessary way whereas Norm was always able to make it by being the genuine article and a very competent craftsman.
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The schools dropping shop class doesn't help any either. I have been given to understand that computer classes are all the thing now. I guess they plan on using computer to make furniture, and houses, in the future. But that will be a long time in coming, and in the meantime what are people going to do for a place to eat, sit their drinks on, and any other thing made of wood? Politicians and liberals apparently can't think far ahead.

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Norm had a real way of connecting with the audience.
he was real people, spoke to the audience, not down to/at them and kept it all quality KISS/MISS** w/o all the fluff and glamor..

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Over this past several years it seems like we are becoming fewer in number. There seems to be less truly active posters in all of the woodworking forums, except for us totally dedicated hard core woodworkers............. Does anybody else feel this way? I think the woodworking hobby industry needs another shot in the arm to wake it up like Norm did. Am I the only one who feels this way?

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Totally agree, Charley.


Even I have tried some of Norm's projects (on a smaller scale).


The inspiration from Norm as well as "The Router Workshop" encouraged me to improve my skills (with much help from forum members ( you know who you are))...


Seem to be fewer new members over the past few years, also.
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I have purchased several of Norm's woodworking plans and I found them far superior to plans I've brought from other people.
I think his real talent was to make the complex task look less intimidating and do-able.
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