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That is when you sit down with a beer, or coffee, maybe tea, and if you're young, you turn on the cartoon channel. And, if you are older, and more sophisticated, you turn on the youtube and go to the GTOger channel. Either way, you are going to get some fine entertainment to relax with.
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Breaks often turn into naps, but I've also been on YouTube more and more lately. I like hearing some of the political guys like Newt and such, and aviation and ballet and and woodworking, and... Well, you get the idea. However, nothing like a little bourbon highball to go along with it all. I'm a lightweight, so a drink almost always leads to a nap. Used to sit and sip out back in my mini-forest back yard, but water prices are so high I've had trees die so it's not as pretty as it used to be.
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Used to sit and sip out back in my mini-forest back yard, but water prices are so high I've had trees die so it's not as pretty as it used to be.
OK Tom, what you need to do is look into drip irrigation. Been many years since I was up on it, but basically a plastic tube, with pinholes, directs water right to where it is needed. You can use a soda bottle, milk bottle, or whatever to hold the water. Even one source with tubes leading away from it. The plant/tree gets the water it needs, will little or no water waste. A catchment system to catch rain water (barrels, tanks, whatever) would help. Israel grows strawberries in the desert with a variation of this.

Years ago I saw some circle irrigation systems in Arizona. A pipe traveled in a circle, spraying water over crops. Worked, but poorly, a LOT of water evaporated before it even reached the ground, and a lot of water missed the plants. Would have been more efficient to have done it at night, could never understand why the didn't. I didn't keep up with it, so don't know if they still use that system or not. A lot of farmers are now using a version of drip irrigation with a whole lot less water being used. Worth checking out.
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OK Tom, what you need to do is look into drip irrigation. Been many years since I was up on it, but basically a plastic tube, with pinholes, directs water right to where it is needed. You can use a soda bottle, milk bottle, or whatever to hold the water. Even one source with tubes leading away from it. The plant/tree gets the water it needs, will little or no water waste. A catchment system to catch rain water (barrels, tanks, whatever) would help. Israel grows strawberries in the desert with a variation of this.

Years ago I saw some circle irrigation systems in Arizona. A pipe traveled in a circle, spraying water over crops. Worked, but poorly, a LOT of water evaporated before it even reached the ground, and a lot of water missed the plants. Would have been more efficient to have done it at night, could never understand why the didn't. I didn't keep up with it, so don't know if they still use that system or not. A lot of farmers are now using a version of drip irrigation with a whole lot less water being used. Worth checking out.
Tom still has to buy the water and water is the same as gold where he lives, I think I heard that the State owns all the water even the rain.
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Tom still has to buy the water and water is the same as gold where he lives, I think I heard that the State owns all the water even the rain.
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I doubt seriously that the state owns the rain. Storing rainwater is one way, saving the gray water from his sinks would be another. Could even fill some barrels on a visit to a river or lake. But even if he bought it all , drip irrigation would dramatically reduce the cost for watering his trees. Myself I believe I would make a water catchment tank. Or, if free, or cheap, barrels are available, I would connect a batch of those for water catchment. My son got a barrel or two that had plastic linings and had held soy sauce, for free. A system is easy, and cheap, to set up, and it works.
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First, I have a drip system installed. But the water is full of sand and it gradually clogs the drippers. Also, the easy to find tubing only lasts about 5-6 years. Just got 500 ft of blue line hose, which has greater UV resistance, but it takes a ton of work to put it in. Also bought 50 new drippers. The best way to do drip is run buried PVC with risers with half inch hose running out from there, preferably buried. Back yard is 256 feet by 125 feet, and there are about 1500 feet of pathways, so you can see that a lot of digging is involved. The drip tubing lasts far longer if buried.

The water rights here are owned by a much hated Canadian investment group who have basically bribed the Democrap PUC to guarantee it a profit--we pay about $50 a month to guarantee that profit. So it is the most expensive water in California. The city is trying to re-take the rights, but the Canadians are running up the bill with challenges and delays. A leak can up the bill from $100 a month to near $450. Have had to let a lot of plants die off. Hate seeing my landscaping die, but I'm no longer able to afford that kind of bill.

There are a few varieties of trees that hold up pretty well despite drought, but they're pretty sparse and don't cast much shade. So the toddies get consumed on the patio or office shed porch. By mid summer, all consumption occurs under Air Conditioning.

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Thanks for nothing, Theo....LOL
Another YouTube channel to take up my time....LOL
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First, I have a drip system installed. But the water is full of sand and it gradually clogs the drippers. Also, the easy to find tubing only lasts about 5-6 years. Just got 500 ft of blue line hose, which has greater UV resistance, but it takes a ton of work to put it in.
First thing I would do would be move out of Californery. Sounds like you need a settling tank. Of course, the sand will have to be cleared out periodically. I have read of the cheap plastic tubing laid on the ground, with black plastic laid over it. No digging, and keeps moisture in. Would make leaks a lot faster to find and easier to repair. Well, you could put jugs, with short lines, one for each tree, then pull a tanker wagon and fill the jugs as required.

Just now recalled there is something about saving moisture from the night air. Been so long ago since I studied any of this stuff, can't recall but bits and pieces every once in awhile. I know they had something similar called "Quail Guzzlers" to collect drinking water for desert quail. Something like that may be an option also.

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Thanks for nothing, Theo....LOL
Another YouTube channel to take up my time....LOL
But these are actually funny, which is more than I can say for most of them. Try one or two, I think you will like them.
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Very interesting. Did a search for quail guzzler. Found a lot of stuff I knew before, and brought to the surface of my mind, plus a lot I had not run across before. And looked up how much water does a dwarf fruit tree need, got stuff I had never even thought of looking up before. Depends on type. Also water use would depend on number of trees. Water saving would depend on catchment size, and how many times (inches) it rains in a year. I would say definitely doable. I remember reading long ago of Australian people in the bush making tall cisterns to catch rainwater off their roofs. Similar.

Try a search on quail guzzler.

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