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Circuit Judge,with self defence .410 loads, is my solution, and a .45 long colt in the last chamber.
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Not for me. It's a .410, you want maximum spread at short range (minimal spread for long range), too slow to reload, and your hand on the forearm, ahead of the cylinder, is likely to get burned from flash and powder particles. After a Mossberg 500, my second choice would be a hammerless double barrel 12 gauge, again with about a 20 inch barrel, and buttstock slightly shortened, still with #4 buckshot.

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I know that a lot of you are kidding. These days college would drum your children out for trying to protect them selves. Many of the liberal bastions of colleges think that good thoughts would keep the kids safe. Reality is self defense for college students is very important. You need to get them some martial arts training and some real self defense training tactics. Teaching them to avoid dangerous situations but when the situation finds you what to do is very important. Kids are vulnerable if they have had no real training. When I suggest martial arts I dont think they need years of instruction but several good self defense training sessions and then practice it would go a long way in helping them stay safe and not become a victim of bad people.

Unfortunately young people do not always make the best choices and get them selves in bad situations. Talking and showing them what to do is their best defense. When I say showing them really making them practice what to do. Blow whistles, scream, kick, scream and get some attention paid to them self if someone should attack them.

As parents we try to shelter them but when they are not in your care they need to know what to do and the only way to know what to do is to practice, practice, practice. Unfortunately they need to know how to really inflict pain and then flee as fast as they can. It is too bad you have to teach your children such things but it is like carrying a gun "Better to have it and not need it rather than not have it and need it"
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Not for me. It's a .410, you want maximum spread at short range (minimal spread for long range), too slow to reload, and your hand on the forearm, ahead of the cylinder, is likely to get burned from flash and powder particles. After a Mossberg 500, my second choice would be a hammerless double barrel 12 gauge, again with about a 20 inch barrel, and buttstock slightly shortened, still with #4 buckshot.
I have not had any of the problems you cite,

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My bride finds an article on Facebook and tells me she wants me to make these with (or at least for) the daughters now that they are at college or will be next year.

I ask if she is serious or joking, and her response is still not clear. I begin to press the issue further, trying to get out of this project, but before I can her FB post now has additional requests for this to be made by others.

I guess I need to find a cheap baseball bat supplier......
looks to me like you are going to be able to get money every month to spend on tools.
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Are things really that dangerous in North America? I live in a really high-crime country, and I cannot think of anybody I know, who sleeps with a loaded shotgun at the side of the bed. Perhaps some farmers - they live on very large, isolated properties.
I handed in my 9mm pistol and two shotguns for destruction, about 15 years ago, and cannot say I have missed them. A fair number of folk have handguns here, the problem is they are usually locked away when you need them, or else things happen so fast, it is all over before the safety can come off.
We are, of course, awash in illegal firearms. All your gun nuts who hanker after AK-47s would have a fine time dealing with our underworld.
A long-deceased family friend, who in his day represented this country in skeet and trap, had come home at the end of a long day’s competition, and had not broken his Perazzi shotgun down for cleaning and storage - put it in the cupboard and went straight to bed. During the night, he and his wife were woken by some noise. He got up, chambered a couple of shells and went to peek out the window. Nothing there. On turning around, he saw a figure moving in the dark, in the vicinity of the bedroom door. Knowing his wife was standing by the bedside, he figured an intruder had gained access to the bedroom, and left him have it with both barrels. There was a deafening roar, and the tinkling sound of shattered glass. Turned out, he had left the cupboard door open when he got out the gun, and the full-length mirror inside the door reflected his wife, moving near the bed. The interesting part was that none of the two sets of grandparents, or the four kids, woke up. In the morning, the guy asked his family whether they had heard any noise during the night. One child thought he had heard a muffled thump, but wasn’t sure.

Since those days, of course, the laws have changed. One is now more liable to get into trouble for shooting an intruder, than the intruder is for intruding - something to do with proportionate force.
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You guys are rough.....how about a good old fashioned self defense course as a starter? You'd be amazed how effective weapons like knees and elbows in close quarters can be. Also good doses of common sense like staying with others and a really good tip, don't drink.......Probably #1 reason for college assaults, underage drinking. Just saying...
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Times have certainly changed. Back when I was at the University of Montana (early '60s) there was no problem with having firearms in your dorm room. After all, the fall quarter was hunting season. To my knowledge there was never an incident with anyone being threatened with a gun, or one being fired in anger.

Our dorm had a float in a home coming parade where we reenacted Wild Bill Hickock's death. I played his killer, Jack McCall. I still have the newspaper article about it. Here's what it says:

"Saturday a kid with a dusty vest and his hat set down on his eyebrows calmly it a cigar, then kicked the saloon door open and murdered Wild Bill Hickock in downtown Missoula. As the float moved down Higgins Ave chorus girls in orange and yellow set the scene. Hickock and the boys sat at a table playing poker.

Then the kid with the dusty vest shrugged and tugged at his gun belt. He snatched the cigar from between his teeth with his thumb and forefinger, flung it aside and slowly opened the swinging doors. He stepped onto the dance floor and pushed a girl aside. Then, 'bang,' faster than you can say Billy the Kid, he slapped leather. And, long hair streaming, Wild Bill lay stiff and stark.

All the way from the Northern Pacific Depot to South Sixth, Bill died and died again. And at the corner of South Sixth Street and Higgins Avenue a transformation took place. The kid with the vest became a student from Elrod Hall and the chorus line became co-eds from Knowles."

Ah, the 60s. Life was fun.
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I know that a lot of you are kidding.
Not actually. But that would not be for a college student, do realize that. Besides self defence classes: Mace. Alarm that goes off when you pull the pin and keeps on until the pin is put back in - but if you toss the pin, it won't; however it could be stomped on. Carry a defensive weapon, maybe a cane (a STURDY cane) - AND GET TRAINING ON HOW TO USE IT. Travel in a minimum of twos. Don't drink and walk. Taser. Shoes, not sandals. Don't walk in dark areas - i.e., alleys, etc. And if you have a baseball bat, get training on how to use it, and especially how to keep it from being taken away from you.

There is more, but that is a start. Too damn stiff for a good part of that, so it's my Mossberg at home, and cane and .380, 95 grain jacked hollow points, out of the house.
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Are things really that dangerous in North America?
Can be, at times, and depending on where you are. Some years back a home invasion wound up with about 5 people in the house being tied, blindfolded, then forced to kneel. The invaders went thru the house, then before they left executed them, a shot in the back of the head each. No witnesses. Never heard if they caught them or not. I am willing to bet that similar situations occur at times where you are, don't know of many places it doesn't.

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Are things really that dangerous in North America? I live in a really high-crime country, and I cannot think of anybody I know, who sleeps with a loaded shotgun at the side of the bed.
Things aren't that bad here by a long shot. However, evil does exist in this world, and sometimes it rears its ugly head. my experience is that you can have a very large county with a small police force, so they can't be everywhere, so you may be the one called to protect your loved ones. By the time the authorities show up, the criminal is long gone In the rural parts of my county, break ins are few and far between, and usually people trying to get money for drugs. If they know the homeowner may be armed, that's usually enough encouragement to look somewhere else.

A warning sign, a big dog, and a crappy shotgun with a noisy action can scare anyone away without a shot being fired.

As for the table, it's mainly in jest. However, a 20" long piece of ash can be a powerful tool in persuading a young man that he is not welcome in a dorm room if he didn't get the message the first time....
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