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In this day and age ''climate change'' refers to Man's affect on the climate, predominately increased CO2 levels from burning stored carbon and reducing forested area. Things that are beyond our control are inevitable. Obviously the future lies in storing electricity or hydrogen or heat in meaningful amounts and a lot of clever people are working on that.LED lights can reduce the power used to illuminate the world and look how far that has come in the last decade alone. There is no reason trains can't run on electricity, lets save the fossil fuel for air-planes!
Those are all excellent POLLUTION reduction methods Rob. If you would look at the link to Tony Heller's data you would see that it is unlikely that man is having any measurable impact on climate. We ARE having severe effects on pollution and we certainly need to clean up our act.

I urge everyone reading this who is a man made climate change denier like I am to NEVER EVER allow the climate change conversation to include pollution. The two subjects are distinctly separate.

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Amen to that, Charles! If you consider the BILLIONS that have been spent on utterly useless 'Green' projects', instead of serious issues like pollution, it makes you want to give up on the Human race.

Let me just add that it's the Green acolytes that are preventing the construction of high tech municipal incinerators, the far and away simplest and best solution to plastics pollution, not to mention garbage reduction.
Same for next generation nuclear power generation.

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Yeh, let's get in a lather over a naturally occurring gas, CO2, instead of dealing with real World toxic problems...
https://www.independent.co.uk/enviro...-a7880321.html

I couldn't find a link, but there was a news article recently about a soon to be launched large vessel specifically designed to process gyre garbage. Money well spent!
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If all that happened with this string is that people realized that real pollution and CO2 (climate change) at completely distinct things, then it was well worth having the conversation.

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If all that happened with this string is that people realized that real pollution and CO2 (climate change) at completely distinct things, then it was well worth having the conversation.
I believe CO2 production should not be considered less important than other forms of pollution just because it is invisible as are its effects. I see no harm in switching to renewable energy where possible because nobody can deny that fossil fuels are a finite resource.
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CO2 IS NOT a pollutant. The variation in Parts per Million has be infinitesimal when you consider it's parts per MILLION.
If the numbers haven't been fiddled with we're up to maybe 370ppm ....big deal.

*excellent coverage of the CO2 concentration topic here...
https://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/last_400k_yrs.html
especially note that a rise in CO2 follows a global temperature increase by a few hundred years, not the other way around.

Does anyone seriously believe that a change in CO2 of what .00001% is going to cause cataclysmic climate change?!
This isn't to say that we aren't going to experience a serious shift in climate, but rather than squandering our resources on feel good nonsense, we need to be focusing on ameliorating changes caused.
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Climatology church takes another BIG HIT. Windmills produce more greenhouse gasses!
One of the biggest hypes in the climatology church are of course windmills that produce electricity. Now we already knew that constructing windmills was far from co2 neutral and very polluting due to the dependence on rare earth materials. In addition, their power production is very unreliable, usually peaking during low-consumption hours and being unavailable during peak consumption hours. We also know that windmills decimate insect populations and bird populations, in particular already threatened birds of prey populations are suffering heavily under the continued construction and use of windmills. And we also know vibrations of windmills in off-shore installations drives away all sealife in a large area around each windmill while also harming species that rely on echo-location.

But now another huge setback of windmills has been found, windmills require the use of SF6, or Sulfur hexafluoride, and are actively leaking this into the atmosphere. SF6 is one of the strongest greenhouse gasses ever produced by humanity. A single molecule of SF6 is 23.000 times more warming than a Co2 molecule. In addition unlike Co2 which remains active for only a few decades, SF6 remains active in the atmosphere for at least a thousand years.

It is believed that in the Netherlands alone, windmills are leaking hundreds of kilograms of SF6 into the atmosphere on a yearly basis. A single kilogram of SF6 is believed to be as harmful as a 24 person flight from London to New York.

It begs the question, why do people who supposedly believe in anthropogenic climate change and their dangerous implications in the short-term always support "solutions" that are more polluting and damaging than traditional solutions while also being a negative economic factor?

If you thought the world will end in 12 years due to global warming, why would you want to produce more greenhouse gasses?

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https://www.telegraaf.nl/financieel/...schadelijk-gas
https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-49567197
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sulfur_hexafluoride
https://unfccc.int/process-and-meeti...mitment-period
https://www.euractiv.com/section/cli...reenhouse-gas/
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Excellent post, Rick!
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Harry ,you may have tune up these kids. For a generation who dislikes labels, they certainly like creating them
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How come they aren't casting any shadows?! (it's Halloween...how appropriate is that?)
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