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First of all it is YOUR PROJECTS that i'd like to see, not just attachments or anything else.
Secondly you completely miss my point in recommending a low cost comprehensive set of router bits. People who have no more than a handful of bits are limited in what they can achieve with a router. There is so much more that can be accomplished with a variety of bits and if a beginner or someone who aspires to improve their routing skills wants to purchase an expensive set of bits, many which will only be used occasionally, a bank loan will be needed. I've pointed out numerous times that when a particular bit is found to be used regularly, then, if that bit has proved unsatisfactory it can be replaced with an "expensive " one. I've used inverted commas because high price does not guarantee high quality just like low cost does not necessarily mean low quality. I'm not talking theoretically, but from many years of practical experience using routers, (my first one in 1974) plus I have had several year of one on one training with a routing guru.
I honestly don't see anything in my posts that can be disputed. I have known builders who have probably had more years experience than me, but they all had one thing in common, they only changed the bit when it was worn out!

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First of all it is YOUR PROJECTS that i'd like to see, not just attachments or anything else.
they are in the uploads Harry... go find them...

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Secondly you completely miss my point in recommending a low cost comprehensive set of router bits
no I don't...
I recognize ''wallet thinkers'' when I see them...

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I've pointed out numerous times that when a particular bit is found to be used regularly, then, if that bit has proved unsatisfactory it can be replaced with an "expensive " one
and myself and many others here have pointed out that most ''set bits'' never get used...
that's money spent/wasted w/o a return...
you say ''expensive'' (that speaks volumes of mind set)... I say ''better''.... (which isn't always the item that cost the most)...

@Nickp said it all... select what you need for the task at hand and pursue it... (that takes a little home work and a profile chart)...
ask Nick how he arrived at selecting new blades for his RAS...

every so often members report that their brand spanking new bits are out of balance, come apart, perform poorly and etc...
and often it's the ''economy'' bits that are giving them ''issue''...

didn't we just have a member a bit ago that was having issues w/ tear out...
the problem traced back to his dull out of the package ''economy'' bit...

it's time to but this circle argument to rest and let the readership make up their own mins for themselves..
I'm done...

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If only new layers hadn't been added....

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One final comment Marty, I may have missed one or even two of YOUR projects, but masses of them I think not. My very expensive CMT (made in Italy) bit extension vibrates like the clappers and I've mentioned this several times.
Here are shots of the extension and two superb bits that cost $3.50 each! Many members bought lots of them when I posted the link several years ago.
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did you find that CMT's CS comes up short???

This would have been the week that I'd have finished chewing thru the restraints...
If only new layers hadn't been added....

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This isn't going anywhere and frankly doesn't help any newcomer reading this thread...

At the risk of sounding like an arbitrator, may I suggest a "tool review" to be submitted by @harrysin , the original poster (in a separate thread). Guidelines can be found at: https://www.routerforums.com/tool-re...e-posting.html

An excellent example can be found posted by @TwoSkies57 reviewing his purchase and reviews of three bandsaws. See his review at: https://www.routerforums.com/tool-re...2-bandsaw.html

His review sticks in my mind but there are many others that are equally well done.

I say this because I did not read much justification as to WHY a newcomer should buy this set as opposed to the many other starter kits recommended in the past. The thread almost says "because I said so". What is a newcomer to do when they search the forum for a recommendation only to find many were made...? Are we being fair to the newcomer who is looking for the best recommendation...? How confusing might it be when they find this set, Rockler, "self-made", Yonico, MCLS, etc... What is important for the newcomer to consider...? Customer Service...? Return Policy...? HOW to select a bit(s) versus WHICH bit(s) to buy.

When a newcomer comes to RF we should keep in mind the newcomers' criteria for purchase when they have no real information about the product when they are faced with a decision. Do they check the number of posts the recommender has...? Strictly on reputation...? Let's keep in mind that when a newcomer asks "what should I buy", more often than not we DON'T respond with "what are you trying to do"... It has been proven over and over on projects big and small, personal or business that a lack of understanding of a set of requirements yields operational failure. Keep in mind that a newcomer rarely comes to this site with "I haven't bought a router yet..."

So rather than debating points that do not at all seem relevant, how about writing a review as to why this set is better than any others...?

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@Nickp ...

so tell us how you derived at your RAS blade selection...

This would have been the week that I'd have finished chewing thru the restraints...
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You too Nick miss my point. This is a ROUTER forum yet there are so few routing project presented. This is like the two most popular "routing" magazines ( no longer in production) which amazed me because they contained very few actual routing projects. In about 2000 there was an article on the making of a French style balloon clock but it's method was abysmal. Since then I have made many but out of solid wood not layers of MDF veneered.
There really isn't a great deal of written information covering the finer points of routing, hence my efforts to correct this on this and another forum.
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This isn't going anywhere and frankly doesn't help any newcomer reading this thread...

When a newcomer comes to RF we should keep in mind the newcomers' criteria for purchase when they have no real information about the product when they are faced with a decision. Let's keep in mind that when a newcomer asks "what should I buy", more often than not we DON'T respond with "what are you trying to do""

So rather than debating points that do not at all seem relevant, how about writing a review as to why this set is better than any others...?
Point 1- Agreed. I was getting ready to step in and end it.

Point 2- Excellent advice. We have had a few new members ask the question what bits in a set should I be looking for? They aren't sure what bits are needed to do basic jobs so this type info may be more helpful than "this set is good value".

Point 3- Much better idea than "this set is good value".

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Points 1,2 and 3.....WRONG, WRONG WRONG.

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