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post #1 of 9 (permalink) Old 11-30-2019, 07:51 PM Thread Starter
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Whew! It has been a while since I visited this forum. A LOT has happened in that span of time.

I got into my metal art, started a business, took on two business associates, opened six vendor booths, bought a building on the town square, opened a retail store for my products and others, fought off a greedy attempt to shake me down for $50,000.00 by those same associates, sold the commercial building, prepped for a nationwide motorcycle tour, bought a new Honda Goldwing, cut the tour short in Los Angeles to go to Chicago to care for an old uncle, moved him into Assisted Living, sold his condo and garage unit, bought a new F150 4WD pickup truck, sold three of my five CNC machines, and I attended FabTech 2019 where I fell IN LOVE with a KERN 50x100 400 watt CO2 laser table that I am desperately trying to talk myself out of, since that falls out of the "home hobby workshop" category.

I am currently in Virginia to do some software training. I use the PlasmaCam CNC tables and their 'Big Brother' the Samson 510 CNC table as both plasma tables and router tables. I am pretty good with the software, so I occasionally go on road trips to train other PlasmaCam owners on how to actually USE the software and the machine(s) to "Make Money In Metal Art!"

I just finished training someone in Florida. Virginia will be the next three days, and then I am off to Tennessee for another training session before returning home to Kentucky in mid' December.

I REALLY want that laser table, but at $174,000.00, I would have to buckle down and be MARRIED to the table, in order to justify the cost. Do you think I could generate enough work to make that investment worth it? Really ... I would see it more as a VERY expensive 'toy', but I sure could think of a lot of things I could do with it.

2019 has been a year of DRAMA. Sometimes, I just want to go into my house, close the curtains and CHILL. I am 61 now, and although I cannot sit around and do nothing, I also realize that I am 61 now. I do not have the energy I had 20 years ago.

I hope you all are doing well, and have a very Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!
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Wow Joe I wish I had half your energy. My dream is a Kern laser, but it’s a toy I’ll get when I win the Lottery and use for hobbies and such .
Sorry to hear your venture didn’t turn out . I bought a 4x5 Avid Pro cnc router table that I’m hoping to make a bit of spare change with next year .
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Btw as for buying that Kern laser , that’s certainly a lot of money to recover

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You would have to market your A$$ off to make that work as a viable business. How are you at selling and marketing? Forget partnerships. They suck and most of the time don't work out favorably for the instigator. Each has to have a big financial stake and skils in the production, marketing or some other part of business. I would think maybe 400-500 times about investing that much into a machine that you couldn't afford to pay cash for without affecting any other aspect of your life.

Made my living for years as a specialized business consultant. Not unusual for those doctors to invest that much money and break even in a year or less. If you don't have a business and in particular, a marketing plan based on hard nosed sales and marketing methods, you will be eating that machine.

Given how you've jumped around so much I'd suggest a lot more caution and thought. If your business plan won't pass muster for a bank loan, you should take it as an extreme cautionary tale.

If none of that applies to you and you're good at marketing the high end, specialty production world, then it might work out. But if you plan to operate that machine yourself, think again. The job every partner hates and most often fail at is sales and marketing--but sales in particular. If you don't want to do that or have failed at it before, send the money to me and I'll hold it until you wake up out of your toy-induced reverie.
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And I thought I was busy.....turns out mostly lazy with a chance of down right boredom. Hang in there Joe, 60's are the new 40's. Lots to look forward to. heck the parts wear out they give us new ones. I should know 2 knees and a shoulder later. Go for it!
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Whew! It has been a while since I visited this forum. A LOT has happened in that span of time.

I got into my metal art, started a business, took on two business associates, opened six vendor booths, bought a building on the town square, opened a retail store for my products and others, fought off a greedy attempt to shake me down for $50,000.00 by those same associates, sold the commercial building, prepped for a nationwide motorcycle tour, bought a new Honda Goldwing, cut the tour short in Los Angeles to go to Chicago to care for an old uncle, moved him into Assisted Living, sold his condo and garage unit, bought a new F150 4WD pickup truck, sold three of my five CNC machines, and I attended FabTech 2019 where I fell IN LOVE with a KERN 50x100 400 watt CO2 laser table that I am desperately trying to talk myself out of, since that falls out of the "home hobby workshop" category.

I am currently in Virginia to do some software training. I use the PlasmaCam CNC tables and their 'Big Brother' the Samson 510 CNC table as both plasma tables and router tables. I am pretty good with the software, so I occasionally go on road trips to train other PlasmaCam owners on how to actually USE the software and the machine(s) to "Make Money In Metal Art!"

I just finished training someone in Florida. Virginia will be the next three days, and then I am off to Tennessee for another training session before returning home to Kentucky in mid' December.

I REALLY want that laser table, but at $174,000.00, I would have to buckle down and be MARRIED to the table, in order to justify the cost. Do you think I could generate enough work to make that investment worth it? Really ... I would see it more as a VERY expensive 'toy', but I sure could think of a lot of things I could do with it.

2019 has been a year of DRAMA. Sometimes, I just want to go into my house, close the curtains and CHILL. I am 61 now, and although I cannot sit around and do nothing, I also realize that I am 61 now. I do not have the energy I had 20 years ago.

I hope you all are doing well, and have a very Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!
Have a good Christmas and all the best for the New Year. Make a resolution.. Slow down and smell the roses. As time goes by most of us begin to realize the value of life, not just the value of things. You just might not see 70.
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"Make Money In Metal Art!"
Reminds me of the ads- Make Money Stuffing Envelopes or Assembling at Home. FWIW, this day & time, I sound negative but would hesitate about starting a business of any kind. Too much to deal with in government, OHSA, etc. Our church closed the daycare three years ago. My wife was director for several years. People asked if she was going to open a daycare. She just laughed and said, "No way!"
Business plan? My father and I were told this when we started our sales rep business. Never found one for Henry Ford, Andrew Carnegie, John D. Rockefeller or Levi Strauss.
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Hi Joe. Good to see you back. The only guy who can answer your question is you. And maybe your accountant.

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Wow I got tired just reading everything you are doing. What were you thinking of cutting with the laser, wood or metal?
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I just arrived at home again. A quick stop until I find/borrow/ buy a trailer. Then I am off to Texas to pick up another Samson 510 table. I will use this as a router table again. I sold the last one in the spring, because I was royally #$%^%$ off at PlasmaCam, but I am going to replace it and get back into the FUN of routing with a CNC machine again.
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