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Here is some very interesting data on just how deadly US Drone Technology has become. Read about how it killed Soleimini! Ö..





The CIAís Blade-Wielding 'Flying Ginsu' Missile



Here is some updated news. Remember the info about the capabilities of the AGM-114R9X variant of the Hellfire Missile?

The news has been inundated for the past days with reports and opinion, some "informed" and some not, concerning the death of the Deputy Commander of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps, Iranian General Soleimani. He had quite a career as a "terrorist with American blood on his hands," a summary of which is beyond the scope of this email. What I want to do is give you "the rest of the story" concerning the details of his demise.

It starts with Soleimani in the Bekaa Valley of Lebanon, at that moment working with the Hezbollah, (Arabic "Party of GodĒ) in preparation for an attack on Israel. He was on the phone with leaders of the IRGC's shia militia force in Iraq, known as the Popular Mobilization Forces (PMF), ordering and coordinating the attack on our American Embassy.

Next day, he got on an Iranian plane and flew from Beirut to Baghdad International Airport (BIAP) where he was met plane side in the air cargo area apron by a van carrying PMF chief Abu Mahdi al-Muhandis and four of his leaders, all of whom were involved with the planned attack on the Embassy. Apparently Soleimani wanted to meet them in order to plan and direct the next phase of attacks against American targets in Iraq.

Abu Mahdi greeted Soleimani and they got into the van... Just then a missile, launched from a drone high overhead, impacted the top of the van. There was no explosion but everyone and everything in the van was sliced to ribbons by blades emanating from the missile body.

This was so effective that observers on the scene said none of the bodies of the van's occupants could be identified individually. However, Soleimani was identified by his severed right hand, which still had his distinctive large ring on his finger.

So there you have it... "The Flying Ginsu", also known as the CIA's new AGM-114R9X variant of the drone launched Hellfire Missile.

IT SLICES, IT DICES (but it doesnít explode)

CIA and the Pentagon reportedly have worked to keep knowledge of the existence and the capabilities of its AGM-114R9X variant Hellfire Missile a secret.

This variant of the Hellfire missile was designed specifically for use with the CIA and US Air Force armed drones in the ongoing hunt for "High Value" terrorist targets while limiting the "collateral damage" which might be caused by an exploding warhead.

The secret came out recently when journalists arrived at the compound in a Turkish controlled area of Syria where US special operations forces had attacked and killed ISIS leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi several days before. The compound had been reduced to rubble by an US airstrike after the ground raiders had departed.

However, among other things the journalists found and photographed in the area around the compound was a minivan with an 8" hole in its roof, but which was otherwise in-tact. Inside the van was found the sliced-up remains of about four or five ISIS fighters tangled amongst a mass of what looked to be sword blades and pieces of a missile casing.
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Hmm, can't say. But I would think a small explosion would have been more effective, and less likely to fail going off. I'm thinking too, would have to be a pretty large drone, to carry something like that, and whatever electronics were needed to guide it. Journalists have been know to exaggerate (lie) before.

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If anything, itís a variant of a quite old concept of a flechette round. Which is technically against the Geneva conventions but is still being used as a very effective anti materiel round (particularly with 120mm tank and mortar rounds).


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If they have a missile like this, I can see times when they would rather NOT set off an explosion. In a cargo tarmac, an explosion would cause a lot of other damage. The hellfire missile is not just explosive, but causes an enormous fireball. That fireball could have caused damage to civilian aircraft and passengers. They only wanted to get these few guys. You can find video of Hellfire missiles hitting targets on youtube. Nasty things.

There's a great scene in a movie where a government official is being escorted into a troubled area and they're stopped by some militia on the road in. The escort tells the leader there's a drone up there and the leader and his band give frightened glances upward and immediately let the good guys go. I think that missile on drones causes some terror among our enemies, but I bet the Chinese and Russians have their own version.

I think the biggest threat of all is if the Iranians get a nuke. The will drop it on Israel, and Israel will drop their 40 or 50 on their enemies, then Pakistan will reply with theirs, with a few for India, their mortal enemhy, and India will drop some of theirs and that will pull in China. Hellfire will have a new meaning if that happens. That could be as many as 200 nuclear weapons, and no one will be free of the effects. What a cheerful scenario.
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While an interesting post I have to always question "news". We seem to have variants of the news and seldom sources are quoted that can be double checked so it really becomes gossip. Just my 2 cents worth....
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Flechette rounds were stainless steel darts fired from an artillery round. Never hear of them fired from a mortar; a mortar round explodes in a reverse cone shape. you would have to be standing on point-of-impact to get hit. The farther away, the more chances you get hit. The missile looks like a guillotine arrow head for hunting turkeys; doesn't ruin the meat.
Either way, the enemy is like the Hydra- there will be another to take its place. Fighting terrorists is like nailing a piece of Jello to the wall or shoveling crap against the tide.
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Flechette rounds were stainless steel darts fired from an artillery round. Never hear of them fired from a mortar; a mortar round explodes in a reverse cone shape. you would have to be standing on point-of-impact to get hit. The farther away, the more chances you get hit. The missile looks like a guillotine arrow head for hunting turkeys; doesn't ruin the meat.
Either way, the enemy is like the Hydra- there will be another to take its place. Fighting terrorists is like nailing a piece of Jello to the wall or shoveling crap against the tide.


The darts are the payload. If the mortar round has a proximity fuse, it can airburst and ďumbrellaĒ the POI.


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...and what is the source of this "data"...? Reputable or tabloid...?

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...and what is the source of this "data"...? Reputable or tabloid...?
Good question. Iím starting to think the majority of the Net has become a tabloid

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...and what is the source of this "data"...? Reputable or tabloid...?


Are you referring to the OP or my posts ? If the latter, then Iíve seen it being used plenty by the IDF in S.Lebanon, back in the 90ís.


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