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for members AND moderators to read and start to obey forum rule number two which has not just been broken of late but decimated. Here is a copy and paste of the relevant rule.


2. Users shall treat each other with respect at all times on RouterForums.com. Ideas and opinions may be challenged, but name calling, personal attacks, or other inappropriate behavior will not be allowed and may cause your account to be banned. Harassment will not be tolerated in this community. This includes private messages, Facebook and/or social media and user emails. Discriminatory remarks of any sort will not be tolerated. This includes degrading and/or offensive remarks about an individual or a group of individuals based on their race, color, ethnicity, sex, sexuality, age, nationality, religious affiliation, or indeed any other basis.


It's time now for the forum to return to it's former happy, instructive state it was in the past. What has been going on of late is more than enough for lurkers and members to quickly find another more suitable forum.
All the above is FACT and requires no further discussion.
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Well, this should be an interesting thread to follow.
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Well, this should be an interesting thread to follow.
To say the least...
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While your at it, how about getting rid of all the popup ads that block the content and pictures. I realize there has to be revenue for this site to stay free, but come on. Its highly annoying and to the point I don't visit the site much anymore. PITA to say the least.
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2. Users shall treat each other with respect at all times on RouterForums.com. .
Would have had more clout had it come from CRICKET!!
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I couldn't agree more but where is Cricket, she appears to be AWOL.
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for members AND moderators to read and start to obey forum rule number two which has not just been broken of late but decimated. Here is a copy and paste of the relevant rule.


2. Users shall treat each other with respect at all times on RouterForums.com. Ideas and opinions may be challenged, but name calling, personal attacks, or other inappropriate behavior will not be allowed and may cause your account to be banned. Harassment will not be tolerated in this community. This includes private messages, Facebook and/or social media and user emails. Discriminatory remarks of any sort will not be tolerated. This includes degrading and/or offensive remarks about an individual or a group of individuals based on their race, color, ethnicity, sex, sexuality, age, nationality, religious affiliation, or indeed any other basis.


It's time now for the forum to return to it's former happy, instructive state it was in the past. What has been going on of late is more than enough for lurkers and members to quickly find another more suitable forum.
All the above is FACT and requires no further discussion.

Oh, what the hell...I've had coffee, completed my morning routine, done with my morning exercises and relieved myself of my morning constitutional so I'm ready to go...

1. "Opinions...everybody has one" - This Forum is, by far, the most instructional forum of which I've been a member. The encyclopedic knowledge that is freely shared with new and veteran members far exceeds any other forum's content and willingness to teach. Examples of this are methods and techniques passed on in the form of background, voice of experience, education and generally decades of various related experiences. Some members share their vast knowledge of products as though they manufactured them. And those same members keep up with the pros and cons of new and enhanced products as though they were currently using them. Some members have favorite products of which they speak highly but never push those products as though they were the only ones on the market.

2. "Instructive state" - Apparently you've not lurked or participated in other forums where questions are answered by as little as "Yes, it is doable". On those other forums very little reference is provided as to where to see/read the "doable". And so the new member is left with no references to continue their research. In many cases those forum members simply state "You shouldn't do that"...and no reasons are given. In other forums I have seen where a new member is admonished for calling something by the wrong name. Surely you must witness and note that this does not occur on this forum. With few exceptions, as in when a member posts a single sentence "challenge", all questions are answered completely. And when a member responds to a question and has inadvertently left something out another member jumps in and, in an additive manner, completes the response. More importantly, when a member posts "wrong" information, other members always quickly jump in with corrected information to ensure the new member, or others reading, are not led astray. You may have forgotten how willingly members share their extensive library of material which is no small effort on their part to maintain. That willingness to categorize and quickly provide to members with questions should be commended rather than ridiculed.

3. "Discriminatory remarks" - This is rarely an issue and when it occurs the moderators quickly react with the appropriate measures. Sometimes that involves a public response and sometimes it involves deletion of the offending post or complete closing of the thread. This is a sign of a better forum as opposed to others that just let it by.

4. "Moderators" - The Moderators on this forum are the most attentive and responsive members I have ever had the pleasure of knowing they are always at the ready. I can't imagine the diligence required to read the constant barrage of PM's, constantly reviewing threads and posts to ensure the quality and personality of the Forum is maintained. It cannot be a simple task to read every post 24 hours a day while the rest of us simply pick and choose what to read. We should be grateful for that diligence rather than to accuse them of not doing their job by insinuating they should "start to obey" the rules. Keep in mind that it is the moderators that are a major contributor to the personality of the Forum. On other forums it may take days for what would otherwise require an immediate reaction.

5. "Former happy..." - I judge "happy" by the number of times I feel that I look forward to chasing down the "Active Topics". I sign on every day, sometimes multiple times a day looking forward to reading threads of interest, questions that I might be able to help with or just to keep up with new topics. And, of course, I also look forward to blowing my horn on some new tool I purchased. I'm not sure what you mean by "former" but if it's half of today's happy, I can't wait for these times to become the "good ole days" which you think may have been. Growth is a sign of a great forum...with growth comes change...all change is for the good. If the more veteran members want the "good ole days" to "return", I suggest they participate in making it that. They can start by participating more rather than griping about it. (oops...nearly slipped into that negative state)

6. "Decrees" - I'm not going to say too much about your "decree" that "All the above is FACT and requires no further discussion". Maybe a better approach might have been to request discussion and get other members' opinions. I can go on for a much greater time discussing the merits of this Forum than you can professing its negatives. Quite frankly, you are degrading the personality of the Forum by "airing dirty laundry" in a manner that FORCES discussion for members to express the positives of this Forum. It seems to me your negative and unwarranted comments should be better addressed by PM with the Moderators or with the member with which you perceive an offensive posture.

7. "...indeed any other basis" - I believe it was not too long ago where you explicitly posted an offensive and derogatory remark regarding a class of individuals, that being truck drivers. I don't much care for the remark you made regarding truck drivers and their being "stupid". You apparently have no idea of the formal education truck drivers have. Truck drivers are not just thrown into that career by some choice that others made for them...rather, they have chosen that profession because of its contribution to society. No product can be delivered to your door without the diligence and care provided by a truck driver. No rail or air plane can deliver your goods. Nothing can replace the diligence a truck driver gives care to when they leave their families behind for over-the-read long-haul trips. These men and women give the better part of their lives to keep commerce going. A better appreciation of that contribution should be had by all. I saw a bumper sticker once...it read "If you're going to ***** about truck drivers, don't do it with your mouth full". I drove for Spectre and Empire Freight and I can tell you we took great pride in our position as one of the best outfits to drive for. I'm pretty sure I have more formal education, training and certifications than most CEO's. Oh...and I'm pretty sure you never apologized for that remark.

So your decree "no further discussion required" certainly bears no weight with me...as I said, I can go on all day, every day, discussing the merits of this Forum...thank you for the challenge...it's accepted.

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The only thing that you left out was the one that I complained about, PERSONAL NAME CALLING, something that at times was difficult for ME to resist but resist I did. Perhaps you didn't see the two diabolical posts made about me by a MODERATOR, sure, they were removed after I complained.
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I missed something. Who's p*ssing who off? And I check in here several times a day.
What's happening?

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