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as a few of my close friends here on the forum know, i have been remodeling a bathroom.

ive been putting in a whirlpool tub and a shower surround.

ive always been pretty good at remodeling , but lately i find that age makes things very much challenging.

after installing the shower valve , im happy to say that it only took 2 days to get all my leaks stopped, lol.

but at least i have a feeling of confidence to go on.

just my rambling thoughts.

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That's darn good in my books Levon. Plumbing and I don't mix. I'd be fixing leaks for 2 years.

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as a few of my close friends here on the forum know, i have been remodeling a bathroom.

ive been putting in a whirlpool tub and a shower surround.

ive always been pretty good at remodeling , but lately i find that age makes things very much challenging.

after installing the shower valve , im happy to say that it only took 2 days to get all my leaks stopped, lol.

but at least i have a feeling of confidence to go on.

just my rambling thoughts.
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I've remodeled dozens of bathrooms through the years so any help or advice you need, I am happy to provide what I can.

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I like the new just push in to connect connectors. A bit spendy, but supposed to work good. I have several waiting to put in a temp shower in our stalled bathroom expansion downstairs to make it so we can take a shower in the huge tub if we want while the money is saved up for the super large shower (3'to 4' wide x 6' long).

I have used compression fittings and plain solder connections before. That isn't what gets me. It is having the right cut-outs and a thin enough deck area to install faucets that got me. Drainage was beating me too until my father-in-law took a jackhammer to the floor.

The plumbing skills from having to make water connections for sprinklers, irrigation and other misc needs while working at an amusement park as a teenager. If we ordered the things complete it got charged against our budget. But if I built it out of stuff from the parts room it normally got charged off to general shop supplies. Or so I was told back then. I was young and gullible even though I thought I knew it all at the time (aint that the normal story?)
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thanks Deb, plumbing can be a little trying at times.

Tim, i havent done dozens, but this is my 4th in the last few years. hopefully i have the how to pretty well understood.

but i did have 2 leaks to tighten. silver soldering the copper is pretty foolproof, but the screw on connections leaked in 2 places.

thankfully i got them stopped.

it always seems to me the most challenging part of a remodel is intalling the shower valve, getting it plumb and set back the appropriate setback and installing the blocking for the valve, shower and spout. but ive got it tamed now, hopefully,lol..

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it always seems to me the most challenging part of a remodel is intalling the shower valve, getting it plumb and set back the appropriate setback and installing the blocking for the valve, shower and spout. but ive got it tamed now, hopefully,lol..
That is the part that worries me even for this temp one we are installing. I had a hard enough time installing the faucet through the surround deck for the tub and I could actually still move around some back then.

Got any hints? Nothing has been started yet, the back side of the wall is open studs even. We plan on cutting into the bath supply lines to feed the shower (unless I can talk Her into buying pex, which has really dropped in price since we started this bathroom back in 2003 or 2004).

Will using cpvc/pvc work as as the shower water pole behind the studs? Or do I need to use copper to make it more rigid?

I thought we were doing the actual finish of the project this summer, but I am told next summer now as She says the budget isn't there to do all the fixes and move to a new or build on the original schedule. Thats what I get for neglecting a lot of small things for too many years until they all added up into a very large project. The good part is dad retired in January and once tax season is done he will be able to help me out a lot.
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hi Derek,

the cpvc will work for the shower line, im not sure it is code there but i dont think it would be a problem, however at the top of the pipe you need a brass drop ear elbow. it has a flange on it wityh 2 hole to attach it to blocking. this gives it a solid base.
you will also need a drop ear elbow on the bottom for a spout. depending on the type spout you have you will need the end for the tub part to be female pipe thread or 1/2 inch copper sweat. my spout uses copper pipe and a setscrew to secure it.

as for the blocking sometimes its tough to hold and attach blocking between studs. my hands shake some maikng things worse. i attach a short strip of 1x2 the width of the stud to each stud to adjust the blocking back and forth. it makes things easier for me.

as you can see im no plumber, but i can make it work.i do hope my rambling thoughts havent confused you.

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Thank you. That does make sense to me. This one won't be inspected as it is only a temp fix to get me along until the big job gets finished and if we end up moving before then, it will be easy to disconnect, cap the pipes and take it down before we show the house.

What I am missing (I think) is the flange part to attach it to the blocking. I don't remember buying that when we got the rest of it. I thought it was going to be a that weekend job since it was so simple, but everything is still in the lowes or menards bags now over a year later.

I don't remember if this one has a tub spout on it or not or if I got just a shower faucet. I do remember looking at some and thinking about using the tub/shower ones to have a fixed rain shower head over the middle of the tub and to use the tub spout to hook up a hand held shower to it.

What I wish would get the okay from Her who must be listened to, is to cut into the pump lines from the tub and hook up a hand held massage shower head to it. Would be nice to use while sitting in the tub with the jets hitting other spots to use it to hit the neck or upper back since the jets in the tub aren't high enough to get those spots very well.

Your hands shake, my legs shake if I stand a bit too long...we would make a good pair trying to do it. Mostly I just supervise and advise my Wife and a friend while they do the work. Most of the time they listen pretty well as they know I have normally read up on whatever project we are doing to get enough knowledge on it that I can tell them all kinds of information, just can't get into do it myself.
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Derek,
Levon's advice is spot on.
As for the type of valve you purchased. If it is a tub/shower valve (outlets on top and bottom) and you only need the shower just insert a short nipple with a cap in the tub outlet.
As far as cutting into the pump lines, I would definetly recommend AGAINST that. The pump and jets are engineered as a system and they aren't set up for alterations. You may end up robbing Peter to pay Paul so to speak as the performance of the tub jets may well diminish.
Your idea of hooking up a handheld shower the the tub spout connection is a good one.You can get handheld showers that have a massaging feature built into them. These work quite well as long as you buy a good quality one.

Hope this helps,
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