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Tonight, with my fellow Wikipedians, we were discussing about the translation of the Italian word "dima" to make a link to the matching English page.
A "dima" is a sort of jig used, for example, to drill the holes for a sink or a water heater, or to "straight" a car after an accident.
I linked the page to "jig", but I think a more correct translation would be "template". The problem is there isn't (yet) an English page about the right type of template:
Template - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
So, if there are volunteers who want to write something about "Template (woodworking)", the whole Internet would be glad (well, at least the woodworkers corner )
BTW, even the page Router table (woodworking) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia could be improved, maybe with some of your wonderful photos...
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Tonight, with my fellow Wikipedians, we were discussing about the translation of the Italian word "dima" to make a link to the matching English page.
A "dima" is a sort of jig used, for example, to drill the holes for a sink or a water heater, or to "straight" a car after an accident.
Hi Marco: the jig used to cut the holes for a sink would be a pattern. I have no experience with your type of water heater. However, I used to work in the kit car world and we used a frame to lay up and align car frames. It wasn't a jig nor a frame but I can't remember the word we used. Why is it I can work in two languages, two cultures, two measuring systems, yet I can't remember a specific word that I used to use every day:-(

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I linked the page to "jig", but I think a more correct translation would be "template". The problem is there isn't (yet) an English page about the right type of template:
Template - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So, if there are volunteers who want to write something about "Template (woodworking)", the whole Internet would be glad (well, at least the woodworkers corner )
BTW, even the page Router table (woodworking) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia could be improved, maybe with some of your wonderful photos...[/QUOTE]

I tried your links Marco and none of them worked. Do you have to be a member or something??

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Hi Marco: the jig used to cut the holes for a sink would be a pattern. I have no experience with your type of water heater. However, I used to work in the kit car world and we used a frame to lay up and align car frames. It wasn't a jig nor a frame but I can't remember the word we used. Why is it I can work in two languages, two cultures, two measuring systems, yet I can't remember a specific word that I used to use every day:-(
Thanks, Ron.
Often it is a great problem to match different languages between various versions of Wikipedia!
For example in Italian both the wood router and the milling machine are called "fresatrice", so we must have two different pages: I'm working to resolve this, and it's not an easy duty!

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I tried your links Marco and none of them worked. Do you have to be a member or something??
This is pretty strange!
No registrations are required for Wikipedia (you can even edit it anonymously). Probably it depends by the fact that the site name don't start with the usual www but with the localized code.
To try again...
Router table (woodworking) — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Router_table_(woodworking)
Template — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template
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Thanks, Ron.
Often it is a great problem to match different languages between various versions of Wikipedia!
For example in Italian both the wood router and the milling machine are called "fresatrice", so we must have two different pages: I'm working to resolve this, and it's not an easy duty!



This is pretty strange!
No registrations are required for Wikipedia (you can even edit it anonymously). Probably it depends by the fact that the site name don't start with the usual www but with the localized code.
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Router table (woodworking)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Router_table_(woodworking)
TemplateTemplate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
You don't have to tell me. I go to the store looking for a furring strip and I end up getting lath. A router is a toupie but so is a shaper. But an electronic router is a "ponte" but so is a bridge. The worst part is the dictionaries are awful. There are words missing, concepts missing or wrong and we pay big bucks for these things.

I'll take another look. How do you communicate with your peers? i.e. you referred to a discussion you were having.

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You don't have to tell me. I go to the store looking for a furring strip and I end up getting lath. A router is a toupie but so is a shaper. But an electronic router is a "ponte" but so is a bridge. The worst part is the dictionaries are awful. There are words missing, concepts missing or wrong and we pay big bucks for these things.
Furring strip? Wasn't something women use on their legs?
The "toupie" is not on the English version of Wikipedia, but we have it in Italian (I added just now a forgotten link to the French equivalent).
I love the French word for router: "défonceuse". It has a kinky sound
The problem of dictionaries is they are usually written by philologists, not by woodworkers or other specialists: here is why I prefer to use (and update) Wikipedia!

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I'll take another look. How do you communicate with your peers? i.e. you referred to a discussion you were having.
I'm almost permanently on the IRC channel of the Italian Wikipedia.
If you look at the "recent changes" page of WP you'll see it's not a quiet place ;-)
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The "toupie" is not on the English version of Wikipedia, but we have it in Italian (I added just now a forgotten link to the French equivalent).
I love the French word for router: "défonceuse". It has a kinky sound
The problem of dictionaries is they are usually written by philologists, not by woodworkers or other specialists: here is why I prefer to use (and update) Wikipedia!
It's not english, it is the Quebecois term for router. The French use defonceuse, I don't know from where.

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I'm almost permanently on the IRC channel of the Italian Wikipedia.
If you look at the "recent changes" page of WP you'll see it's not a quiet place ;-)
I have a hard enough time with the English version.

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However, I used to work in the kit car world and we used a frame to lay up and align car frames. It wasn't a jig nor a frame but I can't remember the word we used. Why is it I can work in two languages, two cultures, two measuring systems, yet I can't remember a specific word that I used to use every day:-(
I think I'd call it jigging up. The aircraft industry uses it a lot, too.

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