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drill baby drill,
we havent heard those words lately.

after a debacle off the shore of louisianna, we see the drill, baby, drill has failed in its phylosophy and rightly so.!

i am an ordinary American that would love to see our land and our waters protected!

this debacle cant seem to be stopped and our old friend "hahahaha BP"
doesnt have a clue how to fix it.

and at a time when offshore drilling is rampant thanks to the previous "folks in charge" haha, gas prices are at a premium again.

cant we regulate these thieves before they cause more and more damge?

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Hi Levon

I do not disagree with your thinking but I think we are all to blame. We can't blame this one that one, lets look deeper and to the root,,,,,,the human species and greed. We are the ones that use it,,, "no market, no oil production". Not a sensible solution, but it is obvious either does anyone else have feasible solution, that could be implemented with everyone's approval.

With technology comes great responsibility and as a species we are failing. There has always been class distinctions and we base this on wealth and power. The one thing common with rich and poor (other than the obvious,, death) we strive for more for us and our families. We want 5 computers, 2 cars, a house we could loose ourselves in these are all examples of how all of our species see the need for getting ahead or keeping up with the other. With this mentality "where do we go?" next.

I like you feel bad that this oil rig blew up and sank. This will not change the fact that wild life, fish and man kind will suffer for years to come. As I write this I sit and wonder will this change things,,,, will we learn,,,, I think not ,,, darn I have to fill my gas tank tomorrow like millions of others.

Just a different view of who is to blame.

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hi John,

good post of your views.

i guess my thoughts are from someone very close to the coasts of florida and the other southern states. and im sure that makes me a little predjuced.

i think lots of people that dont live close to any coast think im like chicken little. i dont know how close you are to a coast, but you make some good points.

but here in the USA we have had a big debate in our 2 political parties about oil drilling.
the party for drill baby drill have been absent for the last week or so.

it is a fact that bp is the cause of this problem, not the consumer! im afraid that we have an administration that (thank God) will hold their feet to the fire and make them clean up their mess!

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Thanks Levon

I like you sit on the coast with oil rigs popping around my door step. I guess as my children tell me I am getting cynical in my old age. Man and I thought this old age thing would make me wise.

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hi John,

im glad you answered my post. i could have received an answer from someone more in line with our radical right.

you made great points! and i applaud your thoughts!

im just a citizen of the coast area (Georgia) and really am a great supporter of our natural resourses. i really love the pristeen beaches of the beautiful Gulf of Mexico and the wonnderful abundant seafood that we enjoy!

yes, John, we as a people have been greedy in reference to oil and having plenty of gas to fuel our cars, but its very easy to see that was very important to our jobs and welfare.

but it seems that the greed that bp has shown was for the almighty dollar!
just as the greed from goldman sacks and companies of the like.

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I recently read in the news paper regarding the monopolies, oil prices and consumption. Since the late 70s early 80s, last yr at this time the price per barrel was at an all time low of $33, at the day of the article it was $86. Last yr this time gas was $2.75, currently its $2.87.

Know this, the Cape has always had gas prices higher than main land area for driving over a bridge.

In 2001 the price per barrel was around $50 and the price of gas was $1.40 in our area. Then Bushes 2nd Gulf conflict and the price of gas has never looked back. Since then the monopolies have come up with every excuse possible to justify the increases.

Katrina forced the price up higher because of the damage to the coastal refineries. Then it was let out that none of the coastal refineries ever stopped let alone lowered their production rates. Now its China and India sucking up all the oil and gas forcing the price to remain high and continue to climb. Apparently neither country used diesel or gas prior to 2008.

All oil monopolies have raked in billions in profits, billions per quarter above what they've collected as a spread over the previous 40 yrs prior to 2001. In 1970 the price per gallon of regular was 33 31 yrs later it was $1.40 from the middle of 2005 to the to the middle of 2006 the price of gas per gallon went from $2.50 to $4.00 then slowly lowered back down to $2.50 over tha next 1-1/2 yrs.

As the article stated, petroleum consumption in the US let alone many of the rest of western bloc countries has been on a steady downward curve for 3 full yrs.

The world is hooked because too many people in charge of what the rest of us do and don't do have too much invested and or owe too much to petroleum.

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Levon,

It would make a whole lot more sense to drill where oil is easier to get (on land) instead of out in the deep water which is the only place anyone seems to allow oil drilling anymore. When you think of the Herculean efforts it takes to drill in thousands of feet of water it's amazing that we can get gas for under $10 a gallon.

The biggest portion of the price of a gallon of gas is the cost of the crude. Taxes also play a huge part. As we artifically reduce the available supply of crude by placing more and more of our resources off limits it forces us to pay more for the crude available from outside North America, where we're competing with an ever hungrier world.

Until the cause of the explosion is known, I would not cast blame on any party. 11 hard working men died, and it could have been much worse. BP is a business, and they were there because there was a market for their product. And no matter how much we don't like to hear it, we the consumer of everything from the keyboard we type on to the router we use comes from the petrochemical industry.

If you aren't walking to work, lighting your house by candles, and woodworking with a handplane, you're part of the market, even if you're driving a Prius.

We're so dependent on oil as an energy source because it is cheap, easy to transport, a very practical fuel, energy dense and stable. That's it, plain and simple.

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In 2001 the price per barrel was around $50 and the price of gas was $1.40 in our area. Then Bushes 2nd Gulf conflict and the price of gas has never looked back. Since then the monopolies have come up with every excuse possible to justify the increases.
The price of gas when GW left office was $1.60/gal. One year later gas was $2.60/gal.

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All oil monopolies have raked in billions in profits, billions per quarter above what they've collected as a spread over the previous 40 yrs prior to 2001. In 1970 the price per gallon of regular was 33 31 yrs later it was $1.40 from the middle of 2005 to the to the middle of 2006 the price of gas per gallon went from $2.50 to $4.00 then slowly lowered back down to $2.50 over tha next 1-1/2 yrs.
"Billions in profits" does not tell the whole story. Oil companies receive, on average, about 5% net profit.

Microsoft, Apple, GE, and HP have made far higher profits than the oil companies.

BTW, I paid $29,900 for my home in 1974. I am now paying taxes on the same home recently de-valued to $386,000. That's 12.9 times what I paid for it.

Does this mean that we should be paying $4.26/gal. for gas(0.33 times 12.9)?

The guy ahead of me at the convenience store today paid $12.80/gal. for his bottle of water (12 oz. for a $1!). He could get the equivalent water from his faucet for $3 a thousand cubic feet.

My point with all this blather is that one should step back and look at the whole situation rather than mistake newspaper headlines as hard truth.

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It would make a whole lot more sense to drill where oil is easier to get (on land) instead of out in the deep water which is the only place anyone seems to allow oil drilling anymore. When you think of the Herculean efforts it takes to drill in thousands of feet of water it's amazing that we can get gas for under $10 a gallon.

The biggest portion of the price of a gallon of gas is the cost of the crude. Taxes also play a huge part. As we artifically reduce the available supply of crude by placing more and more of our resources off limits it forces us to pay more for the crude available from outside North America, where we're competing with an ever hungrier world.

Until the cause of the explosion is known, I would not cast blame on any party. 11 hard working men died, and it could have been much worse. BP is a business, and they were there because there was a market for their product. And no matter how much we don't like to hear it, we the consumer of everything from the keyboard we type on to the router we use comes from the petrochemical industry.

If you aren't walking to work, lighting your house by candles, and woodworking with a handplane, you're part of the market, even if you're driving a Prius.

We're so dependent on oil as an energy source because it is cheap, easy to transport, a very practical fuel, energy dense and stable. That's it, plain and simple.
hi Doug,

youre right about making sense to drill where it is easier to drill. but considering the fiascos the oil companies have had, id be very scared of letting them drill in my back yard! we see price increases on the same gas in the tanks at our local supplier as we paid 5 cents a gallon less yesterday.

the tragedy was losing 11 good men trying to earn a living. i dont know the cause of the explosion, but after watching the news, know without a doubt, unlike the right wing whackos are are saying, Obama's administration didn't blow it up.

it was BP's endeavor. they are in business to make a profit, but it seems it is their place to fix!

yes we as consumers of oil create the market, but we also expect for the exorbitant prices we pay, and with the huge profits the oil companies admitted to making off the last few years, that if they make a mess, they clean it up.

thats it plain and simple.

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KP91.

I appreciate the PM but not necessary ,Here's the thing, (excluding gas prices in our area from 1970 to today which I can attest to personally) the bits of info in my post came from a number of articles over the last 2 yrs from our local News paper (Cape Cod Times).

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Are we talking about the same GW? Not the daddy the son, the one that dodged real military service and was president for 8 yrs leaving office 1/20/09.

You had a $1.60 per gal. in "2009" in Mn? Gas hasn't been below $2.50 on the Cape since 08. I just found these 2 things, the 2nd link can give averages for up to 6 yrs but not actual for your area. Know it is a rare moment when gas is lower on the Cape than the main land. In general the prices at the rotaries on either side of the bridge will vary by 10+.

Boston gas prices 2009

Note on the 2 lower pages the figures are averages, not actual prices. We haven't had gas below $2 on the Cape since 08 and it didn't for more than a few weeks

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