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Old 07-26-2010, 09:29 PM Thread Starter
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A fascinating video showing how solar panels are made

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Old 07-26-2010, 09:36 PM
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It always fascinates me how sunshine can be converted into electricity.

This and hydrogen power cells are the way forward.

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Old 07-26-2010, 10:19 PM Thread Starter
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James, an engineer friend of my friend Trevor, did these calculations a couple of days ago, he like you lives in Sydney NSW.

Trevor,

Further to our discussion on solar electricity I have done a little more research.

In WA there is a new scheme starting on 1 August 2010. The scheme will pay you for 10 years from installation. From 1 August 2010 the government rebate will be \$0.40/kWh Net with a maximum rebateable capacity of 10kW for Horizon Energy customers and 5kW for Synergy customers. On top of that Synergy will pay \$0.07/kWh. Horizon Energy has not yet set its rate. The rebate will be on the amount fed into the grid at any time, i.e. if you use 5kWh in your house between 6am and 9am and your solar system generates 2kWh then you will be charged your usual rate (about \$0.20/kWh ) for 5-2 = 3kWh x \$0.25 = \$0.75. If you pump 1kW into the grid for the rest of the day until 5pm then you will be paid 8hrs x 1kW/hr x (\$0.40 + \$0.07) = \$3.76. Then from 5pm to 9pm you might use 5kWh again with no solar so you would be charged about \$1. Your fridge and freezer might use 100W per hour = 2.4kWh per day = \$0.50 per day, plus the daily fixed charge of \$0.35 giving a total of -\$0.75 + \$3.76 -\$1 - \$0.50 - \$0.35 = \$1.26 paid to you per day. Multiply that by 365 = \$460 per year. That's for 1.5kW. That's not very attractive. It gets interesting when you install more capacity then you would use.

If you installed 5kW the calculation might be \$1.26 + \$3.76/1.5 * 5 = \$13.79 per day = \$5034 per year, say \$5000 in front.

At \$2/W installed, 5kW = \$10,000. Let's double that and say \$20,000.

If you borrowed \$20,000 for a 5kW system at 10% then the cashflow would be:

Year 1
Interest = 10% x \$20000 = \$2000
Capital repayment = \$2000
Balance owing = \$18000
Earnings = \$5000
Net cash flow = \$5000 - \$2000 - \$2000 = \$1000 in front
Cumulative = \$1000 in front

Year 2
Interest = 10% x \$18000 = \$1800
Capital repayment = \$2000
Balance owing = \$16000
Earnings = \$5000
Net cash flow = \$5000 - \$1800 - \$2000 = \$1200 in front
Cumulative = \$2200 in front

Year 3
Interest = 10% x \$16000 = \$1600
Capital repayment = \$2000
Balance owing = \$14000
Earnings = \$5000
Net cash flow = \$5000 - \$1600 - \$2000 = \$1400 in front
Cumulative = \$3600 in front

Year 4
Interest = 10% x \$14000 = \$1400
Capital repayment = \$2000
Balance owing = \$12000
Earnings = \$5000
Net cash flow = \$5000 - \$1400 - \$2000 = \$1600 in front
Cumulative = \$5200 in front

Year 5
Interest = 10% x \$12000 = \$1200
Capital repayment = \$2000
Balance owing = \$10000
Earnings = \$5000
Net cash flow = \$5000 - \$1200 - \$2000 = \$1800 in front
Cumulative = \$7000 in front

Year 6
Interest = 10% x \$10000 = \$1000
Capital repayment = \$2000
Balance owing = \$8000
Earnings = \$5000
Net cash flow = \$5000 - \$1000 - \$2000 = \$2000 in front
Cumulative = \$9000 in front

Year 7
Interest = 10% x \$8000 = \$800
Capital repayment = \$2000
Balance owing = \$6000
Earnings = \$5000
Net cash flow = \$5000 - \$800 - \$2000 = \$2200 in front
Cumulative = \$11200 in front

Year 8
Interest = 10% x \$6000 = \$600
Capital repayment = \$2000
Balance owing = \$4000
Earnings = \$5000
Net cash flow = \$5000 - \$600 - \$2000 = \$2400 in front
Cumulative = \$13600 in front

Year 9
Interest = 10% x \$4000 = \$400
Capital repayment = \$2000
Balance owing = \$2000
Earnings = \$5000
Net cash flow = \$5000 - \$400 - \$2000 = \$2600 in front
Cumulative = \$16200 in front

Year 10
Interest = 10% x \$2000 = \$200
Capital repayment = \$2000
Balance owing = \$0
Earnings = \$5000
Net cash flow = \$5000 - \$200 - \$2000 = \$2800 in front
Cumulative = \$19000 in front

If you were to invest \$4000 to cover the principal repayment and interest for the first year, then considering that all subsequent years would finance the principal and interest payments out of cash flow the rate of return would be 34.9%. Another way to look at this is that as long as borrowing costs are less than 34.9% per annum you win.

You don't need to worry too much about electricity price increases as any increase in electricity rates will also result in an increase in the purchase price of electricity from your solar panels.

This is a no-brainer. I am definitely going to do this especially as in NSW the payment is \$0.60 GROSS, i.e. the government will pay me \$0.60 for ALL the electricity generated, not just the excess to my usage.

Regards,

Robert

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Old 07-27-2010, 12:57 AM
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WOW Harry, your friend Trevor has just made a nearly irrefutable case for solar power. The Conenergy video is amazing to watch.

Need I say more?

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