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I don't know what that proves other than the FACT that the climate changes cyclically, one day there will be another ice age.

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I don't know what that proves other than the FACT that the climate changes cyclically, one day there will be another ice age.
You are stuck Harry. The video was not posted to change your mind for it is clear that nothing will do that. It is for those with an open mind to this current and upcoming disaster.

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You are stuck Harry. The video was not posted to change your mind for it is clear that nothing will do that. It is for those with an open mind to this current and upcoming disaster.
Marcel,

One half of the problem is a majority of folks on both sides do not have an open mind. Even with all the reports on bogus data, the stabilizing temps, and the errors in the models fervent believers in global warming still insist they are right.

Its all going to be a moot point soon as the fusion project is making advances......

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.......Its all going to be a moot point soon as the fusion project is making advances......
Hey Doug,

Construction of the facility began in 2007, and the first plasma is expected to be produced in 2020. IF it works the time table is 13 years to produce a 500 megawatts fusion reactor. In 2008 the world consumed about 143.851PWh, now do the math. I do realize that if it works building the reactors won't take nearly as long as the first but even if we could cut the build time in half and multiply facility start ups can you extrapolate just how long it will take just to meet the needs of 2008 energy consumption? Now add in all of the years that it would take to catch up with the demand during the time of the builds and it becomes ridiculously long. In the mean time the temps are going up. This technology is still in the R&D stage so I'm giving you a great deal of leeway in saying that this will work at all. We haven't even discussed auto exhaust. If we start building electric autos than how many more plants will you need to power all of the autos in the world?

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Not so much, Marcel; you'll be visited by the Four Horsemen long before desertification comes knocking.
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Not so much, Marcel; you'll be visited by the Four Horsemen long before desertification comes knocking.
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Lol. Yeah, I know that renewables are not doing so well right now. Too bad. Remember that every quarter provides new realities and markets turn around on a regular basis.

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Seems that we are a contributing factor so perhaps we should not contribute as much.


Global Average Temperatures Are Close to 11,000-Year Peak: Scientific American
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" markets turn around on a regular basis."

As does the global climate!

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Marcel; Just a guess but it was likely pretty damn cold 11K years ago...the Earth was just coming out of the last major ice age. Has it warmed recently? Not so much:
Global warming stopped 16 years ago, reveals Met Office report quietly released... and here is the chart to prove it | Mail Online
As has been oft pointed out here (links to elsewhere) most of the AGW scaremongering was politically motivated, and supported with fraudulent modelling data.
If it hadn't been for 'Climategate' the (we) skeptics would still be trying to establish a beach-head.
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Okay Harry I'd like you to answer a few questions so that I understand your position.

Do you believe that the earth is warming up?

If so than do you believe that it is entirely by natural causes?

What proof, if any,would you need to show that man is contributing to a global warming event?

Do you believe that CO2 or Methane can contribute to a greenhouse effect?

Do you believe that if glaciers melt there would be a precipitous rise in ocean levels?

If there were a precipitous rise in ocean levels than would there be less land mass above water?

Do you believe that there is currently an exponential rise in human population on earth?
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