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Question 14" import band saw -- looking for old manuals

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For your reference please see this link: http://www.elephant.com.tw . English link is on the top of the page.

I'm putting together a summary page for the Hung Li Hsing 14" band saw. You might know it as the Delta 14" or the "import." This model has been produced by Hung Li Hsing since the 1980s or even before. I can find lots of manuals and I've even found current parts lists. However, I have only one manual from the 1980s and I would welcome any old manuals you can find. It is currently sold by Porter Cable, Delta, BusyBee & Craftex, Grizzly, Jet, WMH & Powermatic, Ridgid, SteelCity, King Canada, Woodstock & Shopfox & Steelex and General/General International. There are other brands in Europe and the Orient but I haven't been able to find them because of language issues.

If you have an old manual or one from a different vendor for this saw could you send me a copy please.

These are the manuals I've already got.
Porter Cable PCB330BS
Delta 28-206
Craftex CT015N
BusyBee WA-14M
Grizzly G0555
Grizzly G0555P
Grizzly G0555X
Grizzly G0580
Jet JWBS-14DXPRO
Powermatic PWBS-14CS
Ridgid BS1400
Steel City 50125
Steel City 50130
King Canada KC-1401FX & HD
King Canada KC-1433FXR
Woodstock/ ShopFox W1706
Woodstock/ Steelex St1000
General 90-060 M1
General 90-125M1
General 90-140M1
General 90-200M1 ???

Thank you for your help.

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Which brands sold in Europe are you after, Ron? I'd be surprised that many/any Delta-style round top bandsaws were sold here as the European square body styles came in as long ago as the 1970s, especially from Italy
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Which brands sold in Europe are you after, Ron? I'd be surprised that many/any Delta-style round top bandsaws were sold here as the European square body styles came in as long ago as the 1970s, especially from Italy
Hi Phil:

I ran across a couple but I didn't keep their names at the time. It is possible that scheppach or even Laguna imported some. They were considered dirt cheap at the time.

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Somehow I doubt if it was Scheppach. They made all their own stuff in house until about 6 or 7 years back when they started to sell what were obviously badged versions of some Far East kit (like their radial drill presses). The only bandsaws with their name on that I've seen are the Basato range which are definitely made in house. Maybe they had a different policy for the USA, though, after all Fein USA were selling Felisatti routers in orange and rebranded whilst the European end of the operation wouldn't touch them - not the market sector Fein were interested in (at least that's what one of the UK directors told me on a trade show a few years back)
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Somehow I doubt if it was Scheppach. They made all their own stuff in house until about 6 or 7 years back when they started to sell what were obviously badged versions of some Far East kit (like their radial drill presses). The only bandsaws with their name on that I've seen are the Basato range which are definitely made in house. Maybe they had a different policy for the USA, though, after all Fein USA were selling Felisatti routers in orange and rebranded whilst the European end of the operation wouldn't touch them - not the market sector Fein were interested in (at least that's what one of the UK directors told me on a trade show a few years back)
Hi Phil:

If you can think of any other vendors in Europe that would brand an import, I'd appreciate learning of it.

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...can think of any other vendors in Europe that would brand an import...
The obvious one in the UK is Axminster Power Tools who've been doing it for years. We see ShopFox over here, too, but that's an American brand isn't it? Likewise Jet have a presence as well. A couple of other names which spring to mind are Nu-Tool, Rexon, Clarke and Warco. The latter pair certainly sold Taiwanese table saws in the 80s and 90s, but I don't know about bandsaws

In point of fact we didn't really see the Taiwanese imports is the same numbers you did in the USA, partly because the market is a lot smaller, as are our houses, and partly because of anti-dumping levies. That meant in the 1980s and 1990s there were a lot of local European saws around, including Elektra-Beckum (now Metabo), Kity (now Scheppach), Startrite (now importing from Europe and China), deWalt, SCM (the S45, now called MiniMax), Felder, etc

Now you've really gotten me scratching my head and trying to remember things!
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The Delta France stuff shows up in the UK but I think they are the same as the US Delta with 240v motors.
My sliding mitre saw and planer thicknesser are both Delta France.
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Hi Phil:

Thanks for the heads up.

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The obvious one in the UK is Axminster Power Tools who've been doing it for years.
Nothing I can find on the Axminster site.

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We see ShopFox over here, too, but that's an American brand isn't it? Likewise Jet have a presence as well. A couple of other names which spring to mind are Nu-Tool, Rexon, Clarke and Warco. The latter pair certainly sold Taiwanese table saws in the 80s and 90s, but I don't know about bandsaws
Shopfox is Woodstock, Jet is Walter Meier aka WMHtools, don't know Nu-tool, Rexon, Clarke and Warco. Just finding some of these organizations is quite a feat.

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In point of fact we didn't really see the Taiwanese imports is the same numbers you did in the USA, partly because the market is a lot smaller, as are our houses, and partly because of anti-dumping levies.
We stayed in B&Bs when we were in England and all of them were bigger than what I live in. We get UK "house beautiful" and "sell this house" type programs here and house sizes are comparable to ours.

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That meant in the 1980s and 1990s there were a lot of local European saws around, including Elektra-Beckum (now Metabo), Kity (now Scheppach), Startrite (now importing from Europe and China), deWalt, SCM (the S45, now called MiniMax), Felder, etc

Now you've really gotten me scratching my head and trying to remember things!
Oh boy, ain't it fun? I still can't remember what bandsaw I used first -- circa 1960s.
The problem I'm faced with is finding the manuals. Do you have any tool manuals?

Thanks for taking the time to think about this.

Ron

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Warco is Roger Warren who is near Guildford. I'm not sure he still does bandsaws though. Most of his stuff is metalworking.

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Warco is Roger Warren who is near Guildford. I'm not sure he still does bandsaws though. Most of his stuff is metalworking.

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Thanks Peter:

I went looking and could find no trace of him or the company, let alone manuals.

Do you know if and where I might find the Delta France manuals?

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