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Default From those across the pond: Should Guy Fawkes be glorified?

Here in America, Guy Fawkes is considered a hero because of the movie V for Vendetta

Since then, those who fight against the government and even the hacktivist group "Anonymous" wear or use the mask as a symbol of their unity.

My question is are Americans glorifying and making an icon out of someone they shouldn't have, just like they did "Che" Guevara? Your thoughts please?
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Here in America, Guy Fawkes is considered a hero because of the movie V for Vendetta

Since then, those who fight against the government and even the hacktivist group "Anonymous" wear or use the mask as a symbol of their unity.

My question is are Americans glorifying and making an icon out of someone they shouldn't have, just like they did "Che" Guevara? Your thoughts please?
Hi Paulo,

I can see this thread causing some debate which will probably get out of hand, so I will make one comment and leave it at that.

For those inside the fort, those outside are the "enemy"
For those outside the fort, those inside are the "enemy"
The correct version of the history of the event will be written by the victors......

These recent movies try to put the population on the outside, so we have empathy for the "terrorists".

And after all, it is only fiction.....right

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Guy Fawkes is a hero to some in the same way that Benedict Arnold is a patriotic hero to some Canadians and Brits.

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In England the bonfires and fireworks are to celebrate the burning at the stake of Guy Fawkes for attempting to blow up the houses of parliament.

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Here in America, there are many cities that have their own "Occupy Wall Street/We are the 99%" protests and some of these people can be seen wearing the masks.

This one news article sums up my thoughts:
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While Fawkes' image has been romanticized over the past 400 years, he was a criminal who tried to blow up a government building. It would be hard to imagine Americans one day wearing Timothy McVeigh masks to protest the government or corporate greed.
'Vendetta' mask becomes symbol of Occupy protests

Honestly, after listening to dozens of interviews with these protesters, it seems the only thing that can be agreed on is that most of them don't have a clue why they are their.
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All this sounds like the 60's all over again. It's been said History repeats it self.

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In England the bonfires and fireworks are to celebrate the burning at the stake of Guy Fawkes for attempting to blow up the houses of parliament.
Quite so! Except that Fawkes was sentenced to be hanged, but in fact met his death by jumping from the scaffold and breaking his neck.

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Here in America, Guy Fawkes is considered a hero because of the movie V for Vendetta
To put it in perspective the "Guy Fawkes issue" was really one of religion. Fawkes and his fellow plotters were Catholic in a majority Protestant country. They plotted to assassinate a Protestant king (James I) and replace him with a Catholic monarch..... So the V for Vendetta thing is way off the mark of the original gunpowder plot.

Incidentally there are quite a few Catholics in the UK who will not celebrate the death of Fawkes in 1606. They feel that in many ways he was a convenient fall guy

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What kind of router did he use? I assume it was one of those old fashioned hand powered ones?

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That stupid mask is Guy Fawkes? Get outa town!

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It's fiction after all? In the end life is nothing more than fiction... We are born, we try to get through life as best we can, if we were raise to give respect and respect our fellow human beings as well as the earth and all things within we are going to be in a better place..(with a **** load of wood and wood working tools) utopia is coming my brothers..

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