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I was at woodcrafter today to pickup a few things ,there was a gentleman looking at a new sawstop pro about $3000 anyway salesman was really trying to sell it, as I finish and walk up to the counter the gentleman ask how I was doing and he proceed to tell and ask me about the saw I told it was good saw but a little high priced so I ask him about what he was building and going to do with saw, he told that he had just retired and was a novice wanted to get into woodworking. I proceed to tell him good luck and decided to mind my own business. This when you realize how nice is to belong to groups like the router forum . I really want to tell the gentleman to get a used table saw build a few things like boxes and toys till he had a feel for what he wanted to do.
I know the store need to sell things to stay in business but would have Been nice if they would offer him some classes before spending $3000 for a table saw. I agree that a shop needs a good TS but a lot money for a new hobby
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I agree John.

Some of the casual sales staff in our stores are so young and inexperienced they cannot answer the simple customer questions.

I used to get strange looks if I sidled up to a discussion on an item and offer my advice if I thought the sales staff was misleading (not intentionally) the customer.

Now I just 'keep it zipped'.......

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I agree John.

Some of the casual sales staff in our stores are so young and inexperienced they cannot answer the simple customer questions.

I used to get strange looks if I sidled up to a discussion on an item and offer my advice if I thought the sales staff was misleading (not intentionally) the customer.

Now I just 'keep it zipped'.......
Ahh, the wisdom that comes from experience! I used to do the same thing.

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I did not mean to imply that woodcrafter was doing anything deceptive , the gentleman was a complete novice. They were just selling a saw, I can not say any bad about the sawstop, I just think the gentleman should have started out a little easier till he found out what he really needed or wanted
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Someone was questioning whether a novice should be purchasing a SawStop since it is so expensive. I ask what is the cost of an emergency room visit if you cut your fingers off. If it cost more, then buy the saw. I have one & it has saved my fingers in an accident. I have been woodworking 40 years without an accident until a few months ago. Didn't require a band-aide.
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As a new woodworker who is also retired and on a fixed income, I really do appreciate it when someone steps into the conversation with helpful suggestions. A few times I have overbought because I didn't really have a good grasp on what would be adequate for what I had in mind. Kind of like buying a shotgun to kill flies.

There seems to be a gap between the young inexperienced salesman who only knows that he's supposed to make a sale, and a few of the older more experienced salesmen who believe that everyone should go ahead and buy a $3000 table saw or a $850 router in the beginning, because that is what they have at home.

That's where the advice of a third party is particularly valuable. It's too easy to get excited at the prospect of having a Cadillac tool and lose sight of all the blades, bits, jigs, and other useful tools that the difference in price would buy.

I also agree that this is one of the many great things about having access to this forum. I have made myself a "24 hour rule". If I see something I think I want to buy, I make myself wait 24 hours to see how I feel about it. That gives me time to look through the archives here, and post a question if need be.

So, strange looks or not, I hope you experienced folks keep offering to help us novices keep perspective when we're making a decision. Jim
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Someone was questioning whether a novice should be purchasing a SawStop since it is so expensive. I ask what is the cost of an emergency room visit if you cut your fingers off. If it cost more, then buy the saw. I have one & it has saved my fingers in an accident. I have been woodworking 40 years without an accident until a few months ago. Didn't require a band-aide.
Would that be because you bought into the SawStop ideal and became complacent about safety since the saw would protect you?

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Aloha from Oahu! The pricey "saw stop " should Never be thought as too pricey : I was running the carpenter's shop for an 'on base' contractor. One monday, the table saw and boss were missing!! Found out He had taken the saw ''home" to work on his boat. While 'ripping' some stock, he forced a jammed rip close to the end of the cut. &***** lost both thumbs, ripped # other fingers of both hands!!!!!! Table Saws can turn out the best results possible (if used by 'skilled') or as I saw that monday a 'blood mess"!!! Saw Stop would have saved my contactor his hands. The price for being able to pick your nose? Saw Stop is good for the workplace, home shop or anyplace where you find actions ahead of the brain ! Push Sticks? Anyone can turn a shop into a horror show. Brain activity, sober actions, no talking during cuts, the list goes on &on ...if you still Have the Fingers to count on, that is.
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"...but would have Been nice if they would offer him some classes before spending $3000 for a table saw"
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Amen, John!!! A woman buys a sewing machine, she gets free classes on using it from the sewing centre where she bought it. Reputable camera shops; same deal.
When we bought our (new) kayaks a few years back, the dealer threw in some on-the-water lessons. That's just the way it should be.
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There is a couple mindsets to this when buying tools. Having bought several smaller benchtop machines with the mindset of starter machines, only to turn around and buy better tools a few years later, I don't know if I would necessarily want a new woodworker to run out and buy an inexpensive table saw. I am an advocate of buying used tools online when the price is right, and the condition is good. My current table saw was a one I bought from craigslist, then proceeded to make upgrades to it.

That said, for a brand new woodworker, buy a table saw used is daunting. To know what it is they should be looking for and combine it to what they want to do with it can be confusing.

In some of the other forums/chatrooms I participate in, we frequently get "what table saw should I get" where the first question we ask is "what do you want to use it for?" If their budget is limited I have often gone on to their local craigslist and show them a few options in their area, but often show them several new options as well, across several manufacturers. If they aren't certain still, we will often advise them to take a small class to get a chance to make some sawdust. That way they get a feel for how the machines should feel and operate.

The discussions often do bring up the Sawstop. My typical response is, it is up to them, and whether the premium for safety brake is worth it to them or not. I will neither push them towards nor guide them away from it. If that is what they want, then that is what they should get.

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