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post #1 of 42 (permalink) Old 05-13-2014, 09:32 AM Thread Starter
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Why does the CSA have an office in Ohio? Should they be in Canada?????

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That reminds me of my one and only significant 'opportunity' to work with CSA. We were building a 45MW turbine power plant for DuPont in Ontario. Of course it had to be CSA certified. The 'inspector' that was assigned - real nice guy, but useless. It was his last assignment before retiring and he made the best of it including several trips which for all intent, were to party and sight-see on someone elses account. I think we could have printed 'CSA' on every required part with a Sharpie - they all had the requisite US standards sticker(s) on them anyhow

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James; CSA, and UL in the 'States, are supposed to be accepted in each other's country, but off the top of my head I'm guessing that CSA is 'inspecting' US products in the design stage, or products that have not previously been sold in Canada.
In any case, yes indeed, why do they staff offices in the US?!
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The Canadian Electrical Code is almost unreadable; the Knight's guide is a sort of Electrical Wiring for Dummies covering simple house wiring...done correctly. Lots of how-to tips and diagrams for the homeowner that wants to do his own work; perfectly legal.
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I sent a link to csa and received this replyThanks Jim for contacting CSA Group regarding this post on RestoreCSA.

We are aware of Mr. Knight’s website, which we allege contains a great deal of misleading and /or defamatory content. Mr. Knight has contacted a range of other stakeholders and is mounting defamatory attacks on employees and board members.

In 2012, CSA Group launched a claim for copyright infringement against PS Knight Co. Ltd. and its owner Gordon Knight regarding unauthorized copying of significant portions of the Canadian Electrical Code.

CSA Group does not comment on matters that are before the court, but we are continuing to monitor this website, and we thank you again for contacting us about this matter.

If you have any concerns you would like to discuss, please feel free to reach out directly to Borjana Bulajic, our Director of Corporate Affairs & Communications ([email protected]).
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Although, if one takes the time to read some of the articles, some disturbing questions arise.

The web site seems, on the face of it, to be printing the truth. Otherwise if the CSA "are continuing to monitor this website" and the web site was printing false information, why does the CSA not take action to close it down?

I cannot understand why "unauthorized copying of significant portions of the Canadian Electrical Code" would be considered an offence. One would assume that such an important work should be in the public domain.

So who writes the Code, a government body or private enterprise?

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I agree with Dan that the Canadian Electrical code book is extremely difficult to read and find what you want, that its only purpose by most electricians was a few tables at the end for reference then it was used for a paper weight after. I retired after 40 years as an electrician and hated looking for anything in that code book.
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Jim I bought my first copy of Knight's book 40 years ago and learned to wire from it. If CSA was going to sue him they should have done it a long time ago. Copies of the Code do have to be purchased but that doesn't mean the Code is copyrighted. If the Code belongs to the Canadian government then that means we all own it as citizens. Otherwise the government would have to pay regular royalties to use it and I'm sure you would have heard about it. I think CSA is just doing a lot of sabre rattling here.

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My father was an appliance engineer for over 30 years. Part of his responsibilities was CSA, UL, and AGA testing and certification. Part of my college days were spent doing testing prior to submitting appliances to the various agencies. It would be my understanding that there would be a certain amount of cooperation between the agencies where there are parallel standards plus testing for other areas not covered by the individual agencies. My take in this: just wait until a unit is certified by the "quickie" standards and there is a fire/explosion/lawsuit. Mr. Mustafa could have his butt in a sling for not following the required testing standards. Plus the agencies could be involved in this by not following their own accepted rules. I should have been a lawyer. My son I s an engineer for a major appliance manufacturer. I'll forward this for his comments to me.

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James asks, "So who writes the Code, a government body or private enterprise?"
A cynic might suggest, 'folks with deep pockets'...
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