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I am looking at some black walnut and some red and white oak and am hoping to minimize my mistakes.
Do I buy kiln dried walnut or air dried? and from where? some sites have incredibly expensive walnut and others seem more reasonable. I am looking for a reputable supplier or two or three.
I am new at this, obviously.
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While I can't help you Lex I"m sure someone will be along with advice.

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Lex; I'm a bit confused(?)...you have your own sawmill. Are you having difficulty finding sawlogs?
Seems to me from talking to guys up here in the Pacific NorthWest, that the simple solution is to dicker with folks that have a tree(s) but no way of sawing.
Split the product 50/50...you do all the sawing. Or pay them for the tree and sell 1/2 the product to other woodworkers.
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Lex, Dan, I'm REALLY confused, where did the sawmill come from? I'm only reading that Lex is looking for lumber...Anyway, are there NO mills in your area? If there are then check with them, at least they can lead you in the right direction, I don't have a mill, but there is a guy down the road from me, about 2 miles down the road, who has a VERY nice portable mill. He can cut logs from about 3' diameter up to 21' long. I've had him saw up some maple for me, as well as just recently a nice white oak. Additionally I keep in touch with a tree service and if they get a tree that I'm interested in I can aproach the home owner about access to it, which is how I got the white oak. That tree was simply given to me, (I do pay for the milling), I haven't gotten any more yet, but have asked them to keep an eye open for someone removing a chestnut as I'd like some of that.

Just a couple of thoughts on how to get lumber at fair prices.

Update: OK, I see the sawmill in your profile. Still, it wouldn't hurt to contact other mills and see what they do and how they do it.

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I am looking at some black walnut and some red and white oak and am hoping to minimize my mistakes.
Do I buy kiln dried walnut or air dried? and from where? some sites have incredibly expensive walnut and others seem more reasonable. I am looking for a reputable supplier or two or three.
I am new at this, obviously.
I see you have a Woodmizer...
the base, wide or pro unit???
will you be setting up a Kiln???

what are you wanting to build right now using using your spec'd woods???
the cabs for your new shop???
being in the Ozarks I'd suggest you stay away from MDF...

for right now...
do you want raw materials??? as in logs...
or a supplier for kiln dried S4S??? (looks like what you get at a big box store)
hardwood plywood???

let's get some more information from you...
tell us more...

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Jack; I clicked on Lex's bio...

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I was actually just trying to figure out where he's located but Lex did a great job on his profile!
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Lex; have I got a deal for you! I'll ship you S4S Spruce and you send me rough sawn Walnut...
My S4S Spruce will be factory KD!
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I prefer air dried Walnut. KD walnut seems to lose a good bit of color.

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Howdy Lex... just my 2 cents worth of the subject..

Kiln dried:
Quick turnover from woods to saw, the thicker the stock, the more notable the time savings.
Wood can be over cooked leaving it very HARD and sometimes difficult to work. ie chipping , tearout etc.....
Loss of color
Cost of kiln drying is carried over into the final price of the wood
Kiln drying can essentially bake in the hidden stress's found in wood. These stress's are revealed once the wood is cut..
Kiln drying is an effective way to kill off bugs/insects during the during the drying process
If you're dealing with a Mill, most likely you'll be looking at kiln dried wood
Pricing is all relative to local markets and availability of wood species.


Air Dried:
Takes much longer than kiln drying. The thicker the stock, the longer the dry time.
Some folks suggest regularly rotating the stock during the drying process
Inventory turnover is a slow process, you need to have the room to stage the lumber during the drying process.
Wood is subject to insects and needs to be regularly monitored.
Depending on species, colors can be just stunning when air dried. IMHO this is the single biggest reason to go with air dried woods when the project calls for it. Although, not always practical or cost effective.
Air dried woods are less reactionary when cut. Internal stress's are slowly relieved during the curing process, making the wood less likely to 'relax' after having been cut. Perhaps saying less dramatic would be a better way of putting it.
Air dried woods are easier to work with hand tools and equipment. And can be argued less hard on tools and tooling.
For the hobbyist, finding air dried stashes of wood can be accomplished by being patient and diligent in your search. The pop up regularly on Craigs list here locally (SW Pa.) but seldom last very long. Usually smaller volumes with the occasional "big" find available. For a cabinet shop, perhaps no such a good idea to count on finding such stashes. I'd keep an eye out none the less for those "special" projects.

Walnut and cherry are the two most popular hardwoods in the US. Expect to pay a premium. Shop around and keep track of pricing. Get to know your local suppliers, both professional and hobbyist. I have found that the better I've gotten to know these folks, the easier it has become to work a "deal" on pricing.
Learn to use that saw you have!!!!!! A small time guy I deal with picked one up 2 years ago. There was a bit of a learning curve for him. Feed rates, changing blades etc...which blades and so on. Once he caught on to using the saw, there has been no looking back. AS mentioned earlier.. you can work out deals with the log suppliers. Wood in exchange for labor, volume discounts etc... lots of ways to make new friends and become a very busy fellow.
YMMV...

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