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Let's say I break into your house


Recently large demonstrations have taken place
across the country protesting the fact that Congress
is finally addressing the issue of illegal immigration.


Certain people are angry that
the US might protect its own
borders, might make it harder
to sneak into this country and,
once here, to stay indefinitely.


Let me see if I correctly understand
the thinking behind these protests.
Let's say I break into your house.
Let's say that when you discover
me in your house, you insist that I leave.

But you say, "I've made all
the beds and washed the
dishes and did the laundry
and swept the floors. I've
done all the things you don't
like to do. I'm hard-working
and honest
(except for when I broke into your house).

According to the protesters:

You are Required to let me stay in your house
You are Required to add me to your family's insurance plan
You are Required to Educate my kids
You are Required to Provide other benefits to me & to my family
(my husband will do all of your yard work because
he is also hard-working and honest, except for that
breaking in part).


If you try to call the police or force me out,
I will call my friends who will picket your
house carrying signs that proclaim my
RIGHT to be there.


It's only fair, after all, because you have
a nicer house than I do, and I'm just
trying to better myself. I'm a hard-working
and honest, person, except for well,
you know, I did break into your house
And what a deal it is for me!!!


I live in your house, contributing only a
fraction of the cost of my keep, and
there is nothing you can do about it
without being accused of cold,

uncaring, selfish, prejudiced, and
bigoted behavior.


Oh yeah, I DEMAND that you learn
MY LANGUAGE!!! so you can
communicate with me.


Why can't people see how ridiculous
this is?! Only in America ..
if you agree, pass it on (in English)..
Share it if you see the value of it.

If not blow it off.........
along with your future Social Security
funds, and a lot of other things.




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post #2 of 17 (permalink) Old 08-21-2007, 09:50 PM
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Not only in America, Bj. We in NZ currently have an Algerian gentleman who travelled here on a false passport which he destroyed just prior to landing and then claimed refugee status. The case took almost 2 years to come to court, lasted months following which he was released into the care of a Christian Brotherhood (the man's a Muslim). The whole shooting match cost the country in excess of $2 mill and it's not over yet.
Before arriving here he was found by two European courts to be a security risk and expelled. The tree huggers here (we have lots) are weeping in their nuclear free, non-genetically modified herbal tea about the way our Security Service tried to deport this man.
Guess what this guy's stated aim is? To open an Islamic School in NZ - hasn't the UK just had problems with graduates from such schools?
Believe me, you're not alone in being puzzled.

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Believe me, things are just the same, if not worse, here in Australia.

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Ye gads )(*&)*^% don't get me started.
My wife had her appendix break. Finely got her to the emergency room after several hours drive from the hills. She had to wait in the hall while some of them folk (illegal) were taken first. Then when she was taken into the operating room they refused to take care of her unless I gave $500.00 cash. I left the hospital went to a bank came back with the cash - then they took care of her.
Yes this is America AND SOME DO NOT BELONG HERE....
I do*********
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Then when she was taken into the operating room they refused to take care of her unless I gave $500.00 cash. I left the hospital went to a bank came back with the cash - then they took care of her.
Yes this is America
Not sure of the relavance to illegals? that's just the USs [email protected]#$ed up medical system, or a piss poor hospital.
While I do understand and have sympathy, lets look at the OPs little story for a second.
If it were not for the fact that the guy had broken into the house and made the beds and cleaned the kitchen and mowed the grass, your house would be a **** box,lol, at which point we'd all be heading south because the houses were so much cleaner
Seriously, we can't have it both ways, immigration is always a hot topic...everywhere. But at the same time, the financial stability of this country is perched (delicately right now) on a cliff. Lets say we could round up and deport every single illegal in the US....tonight!
What do think would happen to this country, long and short term?
Aside from having no resturants, garbage collected, drains unblocked, grass cut, fuel pumped.........
That's short term effects, the country would get over those in almost a generation, thats how long it would take to convince the average school leaver that his best option for feeding himself is to get down the drains and start unblocking! It would take about a generation for the "family" money to run dry, accelerated by the now $33 big mac,because the initial knee jerk reaction would be to pay a higher salary to feed the sudden demand for workers doing crap jobs.
This in turn would drive the price of pretty much everything through the roof, making most (now affordable(ish)) items unobtainable by the masses. They would naturally revolt sending the country further into a tailspin for some time.
Simply standing up and demanding the borders be sealed, is daft in concept as in application. I do agree that something has to be done, really I do! But what? it will take decades for any plan to see fruition if immplamented properly. Can anyone here name a politition who thinks in decades? go on, I'll make it easy for you, name one who genuinely thinks fifteen years ahead!
Whatever is done to stop the influx of illegals must not do so at the expense of the country, otherwise it's utterly pointless surely?
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. . . That's short term effects, the country would get over those in almost a generation, thats how long it would take to convince the average school leaver that his best option for feeding himself is to get down the drains and start unblocking! . . .
Well -- we could go round and round on several of your points -- but we would just wind up back where we started.

I will say -- the SADDEST thing about your whole post to me -- is that comment - and it's sad because it is probably true.

A few decades ago when the US economy fell apart -- thousands of people loaded all they had into whatever would roll and went wherever they could - looking for WORK -- ANY WORK -- to feed their family.
Government handouts were things they took grudgingly to keep body and soul together until they could find enough work to take care of their own needs.
But since then we have raised generation upon generation that have been taught they dont have to work - they just have to work the system - and the government will take care of you. Pride in being self sufficient -- is hard to find.

When I first heard politicians saying that we needed illegals to do jobs Americans wouldnt do -- I got mad.
Then - I took an honest look around -- and just got sad.
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Don't get me wrong drugstore cowboy, I did not get any pleasure from posting that, but it is how I see the state of the "union" at this time.
There is a lot of "new" money in this country today, kids and younger adults who if honest, have never had to do hard work in their lives.
I'm not jealous, honest, If I can make it happen, I want the same for my daughter, but she's still going to know hard work and dedication.
I wish an answer would present itself, but there are so many reasons this has happened. I feel it starts with teaching, colleges are privately run businesses, they have to make money to exist. How do they do it? by instilling the fear that without a degree the most you can hope for is placing the cheese on my burger at mac wendy's!!
Simply not true, but, then business bought into it, so now every one and their cat has a degree. The effect, degrees are now less an indication of likely intelligance. The workforce is dumbing down slightly( degrees are getting easier to achieve)
kids are taught less about things that are life usefull and more about things that make you money!!
Just look at how many schools are dropping shop classes?
So, colleges now turn out thousands of kids a year, who are very book smart, but in reality have little or no real world ability. Not a problem back in the day, but now these kids feel that because they have completed a five year degree in letter opening, the world now owes them!
WHAT!!! me , work in a factory and actually learn about the real engineering I've just spent five years being taught! PHfff.
No, I'll leave that to those "poor" people.
I don't make this **** up, I have now been interviewing for a couple of positions at the company I work for. I've had genius after genius apply, the minute I get out some schematics or technical data, they glaze over.
Not a problem, I'll teach them, It's how I learnt, but hang on, these cretins want 65K a year just to walk in the door! Not going to happen!
Almost a year I've been looking, I'd rather look at other sources that are prepared to do an honest days work for a decent pay check. In my case it's not illegals, trust me the paper work in bringing in foreign workers is a nightmare. But in most cases is utterly worth it.
getting college grads to understand that the world although your oyster, does not owe you a penny is the first hurdle in my mind.
Until that mentality is changed, we simply cannot throw out the only people prepared to actually work
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The arrogance of the entire issue is compounded by Bob's 3rd from the last paragraph- the language. I jokingly call my region Washington State of Mexico. If several thousand were sent back, I'm sure those jobs could be filled with 150,00 of our best that are probably tired of getting shot at or tired of driving over bombs, etc. Just my 2 cents. -Derek
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Don't get me wrong drugstore cowboy, I did not get any pleasure from posting that, but it is how I see the state of the "union" at this time.. . .
Nope - didnt take it that way at all.
You were just calling things like you see them -
I see some of them a little differently -- but (and some may faint when they hear me say this)-- just not in the mood to debate.

So I zeroed in on the one point where I definitely agreed with you - just wish I didn't. And you are right - it's a doublesided problem --
you have the spoiled kids on one side -- and the people for whom welfare has become a 'family tradition' on the other -- neither willing to get their hands dirty.

And the sadder thing is -- when occassionally a politician does stand up and suggest able bodied men ought to be doing some kind of work for the public good if they are going to draw public assistance -- he is shouted down.
And if you can find a parent who is willing to say to their little angel -- (as many of ours did to us) you want such and such -- you go to WORK and buy it -- you have found something rare --- and probably someone NOT very well accepted in 'better' social circles.

On both ends of the scale-- we have convinced people that hard work and taking responsibility is for fools -- that smart people let someone else take care of them.

Welfare - government hand outs - are no longer a 'safety net' to hold you over -- they are an "entitlement". And if I am 'entitled' to something -- who can blame me for claiming it?

And it hurts me to see the nation I love -- become a land of freeloaders and spoiled brats.

As POGO said --
We have met the enemy -- and they is us.

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Late post!

I was surprised to learn that the UK needs them because there are insufficient younger workers long term to support all the old farts like us. The median age is now so old that there are more pensioners than there are workers to support the state pensions.
Why the system relied on taking tax from a worker and handing it out as a pension, I never fathomed. Surely it would have been better to have invested the tax and paid from the income. It evidently worked when people died a couple of years after retiring !

These days we all live so much longer. My old man has actually been retired longer than he worked. He was in WWII until 26 and took early retirement, with an enhanced pension, at 52 when his company were reorganising. He's 89 in a month (and still drives!) He has been a pensioner 11 years longer than he was in paid employment!

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