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I find it interesting that many of most interesting projects that are shown on the forum are done by members that often have very few tools compared to other member that have a more elaborate collection of woodworking tools.

Certainly this is no big surprise, no amount of wonderful tools will make a person a great woodworker. I'd like to find a place where I could just "purchase" the skill that many of our members have.

Needless to say I truly admire the members that possess the skills that that are required to produce the projects that we often have the pleasure of seeing.

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I find it interesting that many of most interesting projects that are shown on the forum are done by members that often have very few tools compared to other member that have a more elaborate collection of woodworking tools.

Certainly this is no big surprise, no amount of wonderful tools will make a person a great woodworker. I'd like to find a place where I could just "purchase" the skill that many of our members have.

Needless to say I truly admire the members that possess the skills that that are required to produce the projects that we often have the pleasure of seeing.

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Jerry in the old days you could purchase that knowledge in a manner of speaking. You would agree to apprentice under a master of the trade for virtually no pay and you would then learn everything he knew. However, a lot of knowledge is still experience based and you have to put the time in to learn it.

We all do fall victim to the idea that if we had a better tool than the one we already have we could do a better job but that isn't always true. That isn't going to stop me from buying new tools though.

Someone I consider a master woodworker once told me that a master woodworker is not someone who never makes mistakes. He is someone who is able to cover them up so that no one can tell.
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Jerry, what you say (about skill not tools) is very true though there is a flip side to that. Poor tools make it a lot harder to gain the skills needed to produce quality pieces. For example, I had (well, still have but never use) a C'man router that was a bear to get the height adjusted and wouldn't hold the setting without constantly retightening the anti-ergo thumb shredding knob. Needless to say it was a deeply frustrating experience. Had I not bought a better router, I doubt I would have gotten to the point where I make stuff I am proud of. Would a highly skilled WWer have been able to do quality work with it. Probably but I bet there would be a lot of waste getting there. And I bet that WWer would have tossed it out long ago.
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I find it interesting that many of most interesting projects that are shown on the forum are done by members that often have very few tools compared to other member that have a more elaborate collection of woodworking tools.

Certainly this is no big surprise, no amount of wonderful tools will make a person a great woodworker. I'd like to find a place where I could just "purchase" the skill that many of our members have.

Needless to say I truly admire the members that possess the skills that that are required to produce the projects that we often have the pleasure of seeing.

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I like this post, Jerry.

Could it be that the ones with the state of the art machines are busier "tuning" the machines to perfection and don't have time to make anything?

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I like this post, Jerry.

Could it be that the ones with the state of the art machines are busier "tuning" the machines to perfection and don't have time to make anything?

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I certainly agree with and understand all that is said in the posts to date. I'm guilty of what Herb said, I have been buying tools and spending most of time learning how they work and not turning out many finished projects. Fact is I'm starting to wonder if I am more fascinated with nice tools than I am with actual woodworking. Lately I don't seem to have the drive to get out to the shop like I used to have. I have attributed my lackadaisical attitude to the issue of my recovery from surgery, but I might be kidding myself, I'll have to get out to the shop and get some work done on a real project before I can answer my own question.

I have had times during the healing process that I have actually thought of selling everything, but these times were only passing thougts. I really like my tools and am sure that I will keep going with my interest. As some members might recall, I even logged off of the forum for awhile last winter, which was a reflection of what I am describing.

I recall one time years ago when I had gotten away from hunting and was into the benchrest shooting issue, hunting had no appeal to me at all. Then one day my brother invited to to with him and one of his friends on an elk hunt. I went but didn't even take a rifle, just a camera.

One afternoon we jumped a small herd of elk, it took about one second for the excitement of hunting to return. We didn't get an elk, but I learned something about myself. I'll never forget how quickly the excitement came upon me. Later, I did get back into hunting and enjoyed it as much as ever. I assume that once I get back into the shop the interest in woodworking wil quickly return.

Back to the original thought, what I was talking about, and I know that I'm repeating myself, but from time to time I see a really neat item that was made by a fellow woodworker and forum member. Then I take time to check what he has in his shops for tools and they are often rather sparse compared to the person's skill, and it's those people that I have grown to admire in a special way. Having a well supplied shop and lots of skill too is a common description of many of our members and I admire them too, but oh well, you get my drift.

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It's all about the machines. A finished project is just a biproduct -- kind of like a bonus.

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John,

You nailed it in my view. You used just a few words to say what described me, thanks a bunch.

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I always thought that the one who dies with the most tools, wins. To address the topic directly, it has always amazed me how furniture crafters were able to make precision cuts and joints with nothing more than basic hand tools. My wife and I like to browse antique shops. The first thing I look at are the drawers to see if they used dovetails. Some of the joints are so close they look like the pieces are one piece.
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I always thought that the one who dies with the most tools, wins. To address the topic directly, it has always amazed me how furniture crafters were able to make precision cuts and joints with nothing more than basic hand tools. My wife and I like to browse antique shops. The first thing I look at are the drawers to see if they used dovetails. Some of the joints are so close they look like the pieces are one piece.

John,
What you say is so very true, I just have to wonder if we humans are losing our mental ability and just are not as sharp as our ancestors were.

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