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post #1 of 13 (permalink) Old 02-26-2016, 09:06 PM Thread Starter
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As you members that have been following my recent threads know that I'm in the process of thinking about building a stand alone router set up which starts with building a good sturdy stand. This has led me to think about buying the jig for loose tenon joints. The rub is that I already have the Jessem Doweling jig as well as the Kreg K4 pocket hole jig. I'm wondering what our members might think aboout using these two types of joints in orchestra. By that I mean for example, is to install two dowels in the normal fashion with a pocket screw in between them.

This arrangment along with glue should be strong enough for the application, it may or may not be as strong as a loose tenon joint would be, but I don't know if that much strength is required for the job.

My wife is wondering if I'm ever going to quit buying tools, my neighbor says that one never quits and from looking at his shop where he has been working out of for 30 years, I'm inclined to agree with him.

Just something to think about,

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1. Your neighbor is right. The number of new tools I "need" seems to be directly proportional to the amount of time I spend in the shop.
2. Really strong joints, like mortise/tenon or such, are really only necessary if the design won't allow the use of triangulation to resist racking forces. If you build your router stand in the shape of a closed box, just any old joint will do. The rigidity of the panel will resist racking. Or, you could incorporate X bracing to provide triangle that resist racking.
3. I think you should spend your money for something sexier than yet another joining method.

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Jerry a dowel could also be described as "a round floating tenon". In other words it's a variation of a tenon. Most times they are plenty strong enough and adding a pocket screw would eliminate the need for clamping. The screw would hold it together until the glue dried.
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This might help.


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Jerry I have said many times that no one should buy tools or jigs that they don't have work for, its just a waste of money to buy and store things that you don't use. N
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These tests are very interesting and informative. The information made available by all of the posts to my thread answer just what I am looking for. Thanks for the help.

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As Andy said any joint would work. For a router table stand I would use the pocket hole jig and nothing else. For that mater i would use the pocket hole jig for any cabinet construction.
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Put a solid back on in a rabbit and it will resist rackicg. Glue plus pocket hole screws and you will have a very strong stand. The topwill add more rigidity. Most of us have been surprised how solid and rigid our first pocket hole projects have been. Make sute your TS blade is 90 to the table and the joints will square up by themselves when you tighten up the screws. Kreg makes a special clamp with one tip that fits in a pocket hole that really makes joining easy.

Like many of us, I can always find a justification for a new tool,but I also have several gathering dust on back shelves. But my pocket hole setup isn't one of them.
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Looks like you've gotten some great advice...but if you should want to do mortise and floating tenon I would suggest you don't need to buy a mortising jig...

I've attached a couple of pics of what I use for making mortises...it had started life as a jig for making shutter stiles and it took on a life of it's own...now I use it for mortises, cutting slots through small pieces, etc... And much more...

It will adjust to 90 or any other angle...just clamp the piece between the two dark slotted pieces on the bottom (like the 2nd pic) and away she goes.

And you can also use two edge guides (bought or fabricated), the self-centering base (with two pins) that has been posted before and a host of other methods that would eliminate the need to purchase a mortising jig...

Hope this helps...but I'm with the others...the tests in the video above sure prove the advice given is good...
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Jerry......I tend to agree that the method you're describing will be plenty strong. More and more, I'm using the screw to both clamp the glue joint together, and to add extra strength.

When my wife says something about me buying tools, I say, "at least I use what I buy, not put in on a shelf to gather dust!". It doesn't do any good, but I say it anyway.

It seems I never finish what I
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