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08-13-2019 06:15 AM
ger21
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as I didn't say what it appears you attributed to me.
I quoted your post, and then you say you didn't write it???


I quoted a question from one of your posts, and the answer was what you posted in a different post. Simple.
08-12-2019 10:11 PM
RainMan 2.0
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Originally Posted by Hoey View Post
Saw this on the internet the other day, don't know what's the story there!
Makes one wonder alright .

I have to say one thing about sawstop, I like their dust collection hood. I actually bought it and the piping a year ago and want to cut and modify it in order for it to fit my riving knife .
08-12-2019 09:42 PM
Herb Stoops
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Originally Posted by Hoey View Post
Saw this on the internet the other day, don't know what's the story there!
Maybe the Doctor gave him a prescription.
Just saying,
Herb
08-12-2019 09:28 PM
grbmds Gerry,

Seems like you mixed quotes from 2 different posts as I didn't say what it appears you attributed to me. For me, Sawstop just gives me an extra layer of safety and peace of mind. Others don't feel that way. That's what's great about our country and democracy; we have choices.
08-12-2019 08:23 PM
Hoey Saw this on the internet the other day, don't know what's the story there!
08-12-2019 05:30 PM
ger21
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I'm not really sure why the Sawstop topic always results in the same arguments and discussions,
Because you say things like this:
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Would you rather have your fingers or not, that is the bottom line for the SawStop
08-12-2019 02:10 PM
DesertRatTom Randy, once again, if the lawsuits cease, there are other safety systems in the works. Had not the management of SawStop been so short sighted, those innovations would likely be further along than they are now, and that competition would begin to lower prices.

I agree with you, that if the mechanism is something you want, then get it, and the saws are excellent tools. I'll be glad when something like it, but non destructive, is in every saw. The instant stopping power of a shotgun shell should set a disk brake as fast as a pin thrust into the teeth. I am glad for you, Randy, that you can afford to have what you want.
08-12-2019 12:31 PM
grbmds
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Randy; as has already been pointed out, Sawstop technology is deeply flawed. Not necessarily from the perspective of 'safety' but rather it's alleged tendency to self destruct if the operator tries to cut wet or treated wood ie conductive material. Pretty expensive mistake. No thanks; I cut a lot of material which might trigger it. Not interested. I'll just use my Shark guard.
Deeply flawed in what way? The goal is to NOT trip the brake. If you do you are doing something not proscribed either by the saw's safety mechanism, have made a mistake, or maybe doing something that requires a second thought. The electronics can be turned off if cutting wet wood or if you feel it's even a possibility of hitting metal like a nail. I think the instructions were quite clear on that.

As I said, though, all tools are not for all people. Don't wish to argue the point anymore. Tools should be used the way they are designed. This one isn't designed for cutting wet would without bypassing the circuit. Sorry it didn't work for you. It does work extremely well for me.
08-12-2019 11:16 AM
DaninVan Randy; as has already been pointed out, Sawstop technology is deeply flawed. Not necessarily from the perspective of 'safety' but rather it's alleged tendency to self destruct if the operator tries to cut wet or treated wood ie conductive material. Pretty expensive mistake. No thanks; I cut a lot of material which might trigger it. Not interested. I'll just use my Shark guard.
08-12-2019 10:38 AM
grbmds I'm not really sure why the Sawstop topic always results in the same arguments and discussions, but . . . either you believe in buying the safest tools on the market (including high efficiency dust collection and low decibel ratings) or you don't. Whatever makes you feel comfortable and you can afford is what you should do. I personally have always believed that, assuming you can afford it, buying tools with the best dust collection, lowest decibel ratings, and safest features is always the best decision, assuming the tools themselves don't suffer in quality. With Sawstop, for a woodworker who really makes furniture and cabinets, etc. as a hobby, the Sawstop saws are as good as the other cabinet saws on the market and are about the same price as the Powermatics, Deltas, etc. So why not get the added measure of safety.

In the end, Steve Gass was only trying to protect his intellectual property and his business. Is he a jerk? Probably. Could he have sold his saw brake product cheaper to the saw manufacturers? Maybe, but the others are just as much at fault as he is. They are just out to make money also and they weren't going to raise the price of their saws just to make them safer.

In the end, if you want a safe saw that is still a great saw. Sawstop is that product. Should you always use that saw safely? Sure. However, we are all human and, as we get older, we do tend to lose concentration periodically and possible even make more mistakes. Why take a chance that one of those times will result in a lost finger just because you don't like Steve Gass (who, by the way, I don't believe even owns Sawstop anymore)/
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