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03-03-2019 05:16 PM
DaninVan That reminded me, I haven't posted any updates on the CSA three ring legal circus for awhile...
https://www.restorecsa.com/news/arti...sas-180-errors

Also, CSA promotes themselves as the gas appliance certification go-to-guys:
https://www.csagroup.org/testing-cer...north-america/
03-03-2019 05:04 PM
DaninVan
Truer Words...

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Originally Posted by RainMan 2.0 View Post
Im not an electrician,but I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night
LMAO! Good one, Rick!!
03-03-2019 05:03 PM
DaninVan Actually, they don't 'Test' everything. The CSA stamp is in many cases self regulated, ie the manufacture pays CSA (big bucks!) and is allowed to uh, do their own due diligence.
I posted a comment here about a guy that blew the interior of his condo up* with a butane stove of some sort. OK; the backstory is that ALLEGEDLY he had just bought this butane sppliance from Crappy T...
Apparently this device has been recalled in Australia, US, and the UK. How come CSA and /or any other Federal agency hasn't pulled this thing off the market?
Just to be clear, CSA is a PRIVATE organization, according to a recent Legal decision, not a Gov't agency.

* The device started burning and the owner ran into the bathroom to get a towel to smother it. That's when the butane tank exploded! He was unhurt but the force of the blast moved the exterior condo wall outwards a full inch. Lots of water damage from the sprinkler system as well. The article in the local paper said that the device promoted itself as for indoor and outdoor use.
So. CSA? Their stamp and $2.50 will get you a coffee.
03-03-2019 04:53 PM
RainMan 2.0 I’m not an electrician,but I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night
03-03-2019 04:51 PM
RainMan 2.0 Im not an electrician,but I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night
03-03-2019 03:51 PM
tooler2
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Rob; the Canadian Electrical Code covers EVERYTHING, just not in the volume generally available at the Electrical wholesaler (Part I), or wherever you get yours from.
Five parts in total, if I'm not mistaken...
https://blog.ansi.org/2018/01/parts-...-code-csa-c22/


From consumer's point of view, the CSA tests all electric products sold in Canada so as to insure that any idiot can bring something home from the store and plug it into a receptacle without regard to any other knowledge. The CEC (which may indeed be written by the CSA as your link to the blog of the American National Standards Institute seems to indicate.) is the ''code'' that applies to hard wiring in buildings. As a consumer you do not have to know about any of it, that is not your job, unless you start playing around installing or modifying any thing electrical.Those of us that are comfortable with electricity will make up a ''cheater'' extension cord with different rated male and female ends but are reluctant to recommend others do it or more to the point make one up for somebody else. By the same token when Festool had to recall vacuums because they had not passed CSA inspection but had passed UL for the USA we were not really concerned about safety but the tools had to be returned anyway. When I see blatantly dangerous information on a public forum I feel an ethical persuasion to respond, even if that makes me unpopular.
Rob
03-03-2019 12:10 PM
DaninVan Rob; the Canadian Electrical Code covers EVERYTHING, just not in the volume generally available at the Electrical wholesaler (Part I), or wherever you get yours from.
Five parts in total, if I'm not mistaken...
https://blog.ansi.org/2018/01/parts-...-code-csa-c22/
03-03-2019 03:24 AM
tooler2 Most consumer goods supplied with a plug should have built in protection from over current. The Electric code does not cover machines with plugs, it stops at the receptacle. Power cords and extension cords only need to be big enough for the load on them, not the size of breaker on the circuit feeding them. FWIW the trip time for a 10 amp or a 50 amp breaker is just about identical in a short circuit situation. The code has plenty to say about hard-wired devices with motors to the point of complexity that the device should come with instructions for breaker size, mostly to prevent nuisance trips that could lead to dangerous work arounds by non qualified players.
Rob
03-02-2019 11:26 AM
DaninVan Heh...
03-02-2019 10:19 AM
DaninVan Thanks, Matt; you vindicated what I said earlier on re the oversized breaker and the potential (no pun intended) for damaging the machine...and I'm not an electrician!
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