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05-21-2012 09:30 PM
wbh1963
Hi Serp,

I certainly wouldn't describe any of your posts as being attacks. Starting this thread was entirely on topic for the forum it was placed in.

I predict that you will have made 10 posts in short order and your interest in how the system automatically adjust account levels will fade.

I'm even willing to discuss my opinion and experiences with the rules here to help you get those 10 posts in.



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As I said, I am not attacking the site, I am asking a question and I am happy for those of you who have never experienced this situation as I have.
It didn't occur to me the trigger was links. Thanks for bringing it up and drawing the answer out into the open...


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If posting a link in the manor the site rules say a link can be posted causes the software to flag a post then to me that is counter intuitive. The site rules specifically say you can post links for purposes of sharing and such (as long as you are not trying to sell of which I am not).
I think that using the mere presence of a link, and the number of posts a user has made to flag a post as a 'suspect' post, and putting it in limbo until an admin checks it out is an excellent strategy.

Embedding a "Live body test challenge" that displays a pixel based image with distorted text that is to be returned to the system by the user is a very popular strategy. It's also a method that rubs me the wrong way and does so very fast. My poor vision doesn't allow me to pass such tests with ease.

The coding required to determine whether a link is 'allowed' or 'prohibited' would be quite complex, especially considering the need to deny the posting of a link for a wide variety of reasons. The liberal approach of allowing the non moderated posting of text without links or photos by any active accounts adds to the 'friendly feeling' of the site, during the time frame it is most important....when a user first arrives.


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As for the 10 post thing, what has worked for me on different sites in the past is global moderation of all new members. not for sign up, but for posting. automatically the first 5-10 posts are moderated. It is a little more work for the staff but stops all spamming in its tracks.
Auto moderation of 'all posts' from new users seems a little overkill to me. The nuances of a 'crafting' & 'DIY' forums present a far less attractive opportunity to the net pests.

DIY forums don't get pestered near as much as gaming, media trading or dating forums do.

The more relaxed position of letting enough of the spam leak through to detect it is very viable. Especially when the link is usually auto-stripped as few of them found out this weekend... Most pests just move on to a site that isn't designed as well as this one is.


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On the admin side, all members who are banned/deleted from the site due to spamming have their IP added to the ban list so they cannot sign back up with that IP. after about a 6 month period, the IP list is large and the amount of spammers signing up gets fewer and fewer every day. You still have them. As for the members signing up, they are moderated until they make 3-10 posts that are not spam, and then either the mods remove then from moderation or the site does it automatically.
While your ideas on 'crowd control' make a lot of sense, this sites current system is working quite well.

This site is not over run by the 'undesirables'.

How much longer you remain in the status of being an 'under 10' poster is entirely under your control.


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I guess the choice of "user friendly" to describe this is not on par.

It is not exactly friendly to be automatically modded when you sign up to a new site, but atleast you know every post will be modded, not a 50/50 crap shoot.

The friendly, creativity inspiring atmosphere of this site is part of what sets it well above *every* other crafting forum I have signed up to. (about a dozen, give or take a couple, no real need to count the ones that I wasn't inspired to return to).

Beyond the cordial setting, there is a place here for the on topic posting of questions and comments relating to all forms of crafting.

While using routers to work with wood is the central focus of this place, the actual practice of doing it involve the use of a wide variety of tools and at times other work materials.


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As for my profile being filled out, I did fill it out as much as I am comfortable filling it out for public viewing. My name is Serpentine for all intents and purposes, Serp for short.

The description of your shop, tools you like to use and want to get are huge head start on being able to give you a 'detailed' and accurate answer to any questions you may come up with on how to do 'whatever'.


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Anyways.... after this post I only have three more to go to hit the 10 spot.... lets see if I can do it before the years up. Might post a few pix of my table or something.... if I am allowed.

Simply saying hello to three members who have signed up recently shouldn't take more than 5 minutes.

If you really feel like they would be lame posts, cheating, and beneath your code of 'net etiquette' I actually respect that!

When I am in the mood to 'post', I browse the introduction group and show and tell group looking for posts that not only make me want to talk, but ask more questions. I have found them to be quite plentiful in number.
05-21-2012 08:45 PM
neiltsubota I think the limit of 10 emails is a "good" way of protecting the "true" people interested in wood routers.
05-21-2012 06:58 PM
N'awlins77 I second or third what Otis said. Keep up the good work MIke! I use to moderate AOL's old sports message boards, and then later co-owned and moderated my own sports boards. And we had WAAAY less traffic then this board, so I know the work that is involved. Thanks to Mike and all the Mods and volunteers who make, what I think, is the greatest message board ever!!
05-21-2012 04:57 PM
serpentine5 Going into a section of the site and spamming a thread with a bunch of "nice" or "cool" or very sharp" comments just to up my post count is to me spamming.
As I said, I am not attacking the site, I am asking a question and I am happy for those of you who have never experienced this situation as I have.
If posting a link in the manor the site rules say a link can be posted causes the software to flag a post then to me that is counter intuitive. The site rules specifically say you can post links for purposes of sharing and such (as long as you are not trying to sell of which I am not).
As for putting myself in the shoes of the staff here, been there done that. Staffed several sites working my way from a mod all the way to admin and web master. I got away from it all because it is just too time consuming. So lets just say I understand the in's and out's of a site both infront of the screen and behind.
As for the 10 post thing, what has worked for me on different sites in the past is global moderation of all new members. not for sign up, but for posting. automatically the first 5-10 posts are moderated. It is a little more work for the staff but stops all spamming in its tracks. On the admin side, all members who are banned/deleted from the site due to spamming have their IP added to the ban list so they cannot sign back up with that IP. after about a 6 month period, the IP list is large and the amount of spammers signing up gets fewer and fewer every day. You still have them. As for the members signing up, they are moderated until they make 3-10 posts that are not spam, and then either the mods remove then from moderation or the site does it automatically.
I guess the choice of "user friendly" to describe this is not on par. It is not exactly friendly to be automatically modded when you sign up to a new site, but atleast you know every post will be modded, not a 50/50 crap shoot.
As for my profile being filled out, I did fill it out as much as I am comfortable filling it out for public viewing. My name is Serpentine for all intents and purposes, Serp for short.
Anyways.... after this post I only have three more to go to hit the 10 spot.... lets see if I can do it before the years up. Might post a few pix of my table or something.... if I am allowed.
05-21-2012 11:02 AM
harrysin Who is taking over the watch Mike now that you're in the shop? (I know he is, I just spoke to him on Skype)
05-21-2012 10:54 AM
Mike Just axed another spammer; thanks to BJ for reporting him. Thanks guys.
05-21-2012 08:20 AM
DaninVan What Otis said!
05-21-2012 08:11 AM
OPG3 Mike, Thanks for all of the work you and others are doing to keep this site up and running and to me, very fun to interact with. There is a wealth of information here and for the most part the respondents are very helpful and certainly provide a good variety of "points of view". I have always found this forum enjoyable and it is the peple such as you that make this possible! Even when I've made "questionable comments" I always felt as I had been treated fairly. PLEASE KEEP-UP THE GOOD WORK!
05-21-2012 07:55 AM
Mike I just caught another spammer since I made my reply. This site is kept very clean by a great deal of work... we do the best we can.
05-21-2012 07:45 AM
OPG3 I am certain that if you cannot work this out Mark will give you a free refund, but if you decide to stay please understand that this forum is designed to be user-friendly to all. This sort of forum needs to stay somewhat on-topic, but quite a bit (no pun intended) of deviation is seen daily as people "get to know each other" and learn often where or to whom to turn for advice on specific topics. Not everyone is an expert and certainly no one individual will have expert advice on every topic. A forum such as this benefits by the mere fact that there is such a diversity of interests. If you see friendly posts, it is the norm and, conversely; if you see someone being harsh or just downright offensive - you will quite likely see that they have a very small number of posts.
Now understand this: There is nothing wrong with a small number of posts! What does happen though is that "jerks" or "constant complainers" find themselves in a place where bad attitudes are not appreciated and therefore they do not gain respect as much as they may have been hoping for.
I hope this clears-up some things for you and maybe you will see where we are "coming from". Personally I haven't any recollection of the "must wait for moderation" notification and therefore cannot comment based on personal experience. Put yourself in the shoes of the people who run this forum - they are like hosts of a get-together and it is for this reason that they may need to take some time to consider the "ripple affect" of what may get sent. With the thousands of members, it would be unwise for them to take-on an "anything goes" attitude. I and many others hope that this makes your situation more understandable and that from here forward you have a truly helpful experience...
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