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My new Makita RR2301FC is a fine router, but not perfect, it, like many other makes still has the out-dated three step turret, whereas there are even low cost inferior brands that have kept up with technology and use a multi-step turret.
Here are a few shots showing how I modified the new router. It now has a seven step turret, five 4mm steps plus the top one which can be set to whatever is required and I added a 10 mm step because I make a lot of templates from 9mm MDF and the extra 1mm ensures full penetration of the bit.
I'm now eagerly awaiting for a MUSLECHUCK to be released for this model which I believe is not too far away.
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Great job Harry!

That makes a lot more sense to me than limiting it to 3 heights. Adding the last step for a frequently used measurement was a good after thought.

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Great job Harry!

That makes a lot more sense to me than limiting it to 3 heights. Adding the last step for a frequently used measurement was a good after thought.
Thanks Mike, for deep routing especially in hard wood the multi step turret is in my opinion essential. This shot is of the one that I made about twelve years ago for the 3612C and there is no sign of wear in spite of it being made from Aluminium. I'm presently awaiting replies from the major router manufacturers to my question "why, when some makers specify inserting the bit all the way into the collet, others including your good-selves specify all the way in then withdraw a small amount. All messages were sent on Monday past and so far I have received just one reply, a comprehensive one from HITACHI. I shall start a thread when all replies are in. After that I shall again contact all the makers and query why they are stuck in the early 20th century by sticking with a three step turret.
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IF I can get into the right mood some time in the future James, would you like me to make one for your 3612C, the only change that I remember having to do on the router was to remove the screw nail used for the indent, open up the hole slightly to fit a small steel ball.
The RP2301FC has a decent size ball and spring in the base, whilst the 3612C has the spring in the turret.

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I'm presently awaiting replies from the major router manufacturers to my question "why, when some makers specify inserting the bit all the way into the collet, others including your good-selves specify all the way in then withdraw a small amount. All messages were sent on Monday past and so far I have received just one reply, a comprehensive one from HITACHI. I shall start a thread when all replies are in. After that I shall again contact all the makers and query why they are stuck in the early 20th century by sticking with a three step turret.
Good idea Harry. It doesn't look like it would be any more expensive to make than the casting they are currently using.

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I'm presently awaiting replies from the major router manufacturers to my question "why, when some makers specify inserting the bit all the way into the collet, others including your good-selves specify all the way in then withdraw a small amount. All messages were sent on Monday past and so far I have received just one reply, a comprehensive one from HITACHI. I shall start a thread when all replies are in. After that I shall again contact all the makers and query why they are stuck in the early 20th century by sticking with a three step turret.
I look forward to see your post with answers from the various manufacturers on inserting bits into their routers. A lot of the engineers designing the tools we use have no idea how the tool will ultimately be used and only know that the tool needs to be designed for use with a certain size bit shank or length and width of blade. Hopefully your questions will make some of the engineers learn more about the tools they are designing so that we get great tools not just good tools.

You will probably never run out of questions to submit to the manufacturers and with your knowledge of router use they may start coming to you for design ideas for new models. So you need to figure out how much will you charge for consulting fees. Of course you should also get prototype routers for testing and one of the final design for your approval.

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IF I can get into the right mood some time in the future James, would you like me to make one for your 3612C, the only change that I remember having to do on the router was to remove the screw nail used for the indent, open up the hole slightly to fit a small steel ball.
The RP2301FC has a decent size ball and spring in the base, whilst the 3612C has the spring in the turret.

I am open to that suggestion...... .

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During catch-up gardening this afternoon it decided to rain for about an hour, so, preempting your answer I made a start on the turret, in fact it's ready for me to make the indexing plate for the bottom. I may have to get you to send me the height adjusting screw to have a small foot fitted to the bottom, but I'll let you know if that becomes necessary, if it is it won't need to be as big in diameter as the one shown in the photo.
I spoke to Mike on Tuesday evening his time and to use his own words he was "knackered" after a hard day's work, I reckon he picked up that term from me!
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I look forward to see your post with answers from the various manufacturers on inserting bits into their routers. A lot of the engineers designing the tools we use have no idea how the tool will ultimately be used and only know that the tool needs to be designed for use with a certain size bit shank or length and width of blade. Hopefully your questions will make some of the engineers learn more about the tools they are designing so that we get great tools not just good tools.

You will probably never run out of questions to submit to the manufacturers and with your knowledge of router use they may start coming to you for design ideas for new models. So you need to figure out how much will you charge for consulting fees. Of course you should also get prototype routers for testing and one of the final design for your approval.
Whilst I still only have the reply from Hitachi plus a highly skilled precision engineer who is extremely familiar with routers, I reckon that I have sufficient information to enable me to give a definitive answer to the question "how far to insert the bit into the collet" but I'll wait another week or so to see if I receive any more answers and if not I shall name the companies who have failed to give me an answer.
Just like I don't sell any of my projects, they are given away, I wouldn't consider charging for any advice that I may be capable of giving, I just want all makers of routers to use the latest available technology and that includes a multi- stage turret and a MUSLECHUCK, spanners for bit changing really are a hang-over from early last century. I almost forgot to mention that dropping the PC style template guides is well overdue and a whole new range of guides going up to at least 40mm should become the new standard. I didn't mention a 1.5" guide because at the same time as the above improvements metric guides should be made available at modest cost. All these improvements will assist budding routologists to enter the exciting world of plunge routing and gain skills well beyond the at present system of using the router table for most things.

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