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Initially when I setup the directory I only added the companies that came to mind. If you know of a company that you would like to see in our directory, please suggest it. You can post all suggestions in this thread.

Edit (03/08/11): Big thanks to everyone who added their suggestions here! I'm going to add the suggested tool companies to the indexing this weekend or early next week. Thanks again guys!

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How about a Delta section, Mark?

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Great idea Mike, I'll set that up shortly.

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Hi Mark:

I started uploading my collection of manuals and immediately ran into trouble.

The Problem:

My band saw is a YUNG LI HSING Elephant brand. It is sold under a broad range of brands; Jet, Grizzly, Delta, SteelCity, BusyBee, King, and a whole bunch I've noted in the past and not kept records on.

This in itself is not significant. What is significant is that each vendor, not the manufacturer, issues a manual that covers the options and accessories that they've packaged. The weird part is that Brand X is identical to Brand Y but if you read the manuals, they're two different machines. But when you apply Brand X' manual to Brand Y machine, you learn stuff about your tool that Brand Y vendor hasn't included in his manual.

Somehow, I would suggest a cross-reference table such that all brands sharing a common frame be noted on the table along with "options" that are supposed to be unique to their machine.

The really weird part is that no manual that I've run into is complete in itself. It takes all of the manuals to compile a complete picture of the machine. If your machine has a riser, did you know that there are alignment shims to be used to set your wheels planar? Did you know that there are 3", 4", 5" and 6" risers for this "import" bandsaw and maybe more but I've not found them yet.

Does this make sense????

Ok, here's the real headache. ShopFox, Samona, General, King Canada, Rockler, CMT, PorterCable & Omnijig and BusyBee Craftex are all identical router dovetail jigs. Some are incomplete and other's are complete. All come with manuals but the only manual that is complete, in spite of being the cheapest version, is the BusyBee Craftex. Not only that, the Craftex is one of the few versions of this jig that is actually complete.

In my notes I list all of these jigs and the differences I've found in each. However, a more objective listing method should be found to ensure that I'm not skewing the listing.

In essence, there are three "groups" of dovetail jigs, Rick Stottmann's, the "Common" version and a collection of vendors attempting to create "ultimate" dovetail jigs. They all suffer from the same malady -- the difficulty to "adjust" for each board thickness. There is only one solution, trial and error.

If there are others that have comment I would love to hear them. I've been trying to resolve this dilemma for several years now.

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How about Lee Valley and MLCS?

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Hi Mark:

I would suggest as a listing for tool manufacturers that you visit Tegs Tools - Links for a relatively complete listing for woodworking and "small" metalworking machinery.

LeeValley tools has documents and manuals that need to be recorded in some fashion. These are invaluable. Perhaps Robin can provide a listing of articles that we can create links to????? Maybe??? Robin, what do you think? Is this possible?

I have manuals from BusyBee & Craftex (both Busy Bee brands)

For Drill Presses:

Central Machinery
Delta
General, General International and Yellow General
Grizzly,
King, King Canada, King industrial, King Performance Plus, PowerForce, Dakota
PrincessAuto
Ridgid,
Shopfox,
SteelCity
WMH Powermatic and WMH
CTC Mastercraft and Mastercraft Maximum

Generators and compressors

Homelite

Metal Detectors:

Lumber Wizard III, absolutely invaluable when you're using scrap wood.

ShopVacs and Dust collectors

ShopVac

Sanders:

Stockroom Supply "V-Drum" sander

Speed Square and Framing Squares

This manual is invaluable for the Swanson speed square. Somewhere is a manual for the historical and classic Framing Square

Zyliss/Z-Vise/??? vice.

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Bostitch-Stanley pneumatics

Campbell - Hausfeld

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Hi Mark:

I started uploading my collection of manuals and immediately ran into trouble.

The Problem:

My band saw is a YUNG LI HSING Elephant brand. It is sold under a broad range of brands; Jet, Grizzly, Delta, SteelCity, BusyBee, King, and a whole bunch I've noted in the past and not kept records on.

This in itself is not significant. What is significant is that each vendor, not the manufacturer, issues a manual that covers the options and accessories that they've packaged. The weird part is that Brand X is identical to Brand Y but if you read the manuals, they're two different machines. But when you apply Brand X' manual to Brand Y machine, you learn stuff about your tool that Brand Y vendor hasn't included in his manual.

Somehow, I would suggest a cross-reference table such that all brands sharing a common frame be noted on the table along with "options" that are supposed to be unique to their machine.

The really weird part is that no manual that I've run into is complete in itself. It takes all of the manuals to compile a complete picture of the machine. If your machine has a riser, did you know that there are alignment shims to be used to set your wheels planar? Did you know that there are 3", 4", 5" and 6" risers for this "import" bandsaw and maybe more but I've not found them yet.

Does this make sense????

Ok, here's the real headache. ShopFox, Samona, General, King Canada, Rockler, CMT, PorterCable & Omnijig and BusyBee Craftex are all identical router dovetail jigs. Some are incomplete and other's are complete. All come with manuals but the only manual that is complete, in spite of being the cheapest version, is the BusyBee Craftex. Not only that, the Craftex is one of the few versions of this jig that is actually complete.

In my notes I list all of these jigs and the differences I've found in each. However, a more objective listing method should be found to ensure that I'm not skewing the listing.

In essence, there are three "groups" of dovetail jigs, Rick Stottmann's, the "Common" version and a collection of vendors attempting to create "ultimate" dovetail jigs. They all suffer from the same malady -- the difficulty to "adjust" for each board thickness. There is only one solution, trial and error.

If there are others that have comment I would love to hear them. I've been trying to resolve this dilemma for several years now.
Wow Ron, lots of excellent insight with this post and information on the power tools manual world. I see the problem you are mentioning and I believe your idea of a table is not out of the question.

Would you think this table would work well if it was on it's own page? Also I will probably require your assistance in properly setting this table up, possibly we can arrange some sort of meeting through email or PMs to get to the bottom of this.

Really nice to have someone such as yourself with very extensive knowledge on this. I don't know a lot about power tool manuals or really power tools in general so I really appreciate you taking the time to improve this section.

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Thanks Gene, I'm going to add these to my list.

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Hi Mark:

I would suggest as a listing for tool manufacturers that you visit Tegs Tools - Links for a relatively complete listing for woodworking and "small" metalworking machinery.

LeeValley tools has documents and manuals that need to be recorded in some fashion. These are invaluable. Perhaps Robin can provide a listing of articles that we can create links to????? Maybe??? Robin, what do you think? Is this possible?

I have manuals from BusyBee & Craftex (both Busy Bee brands)

For Drill Presses:

Central Machinery
Delta
General, General International and Yellow General
Grizzly,
King, King Canada, King industrial, King Performance Plus, PowerForce, Dakota
PrincessAuto
Ridgid,
Shopfox,
SteelCity
WMH Powermatic and WMH
CTC Mastercraft and Mastercraft Maximum

Generators and compressors

Homelite

Metal Detectors:

Lumber Wizard III, absolutely invaluable when you're using scrap wood.

ShopVacs and Dust collectors

ShopVac

Sanders:

Stockroom Supply "V-Drum" sander

Speed Square and Framing Squares

This manual is invaluable for the Swanson speed square. Somewhere is a manual for the historical and classic Framing Square

Zyliss/Z-Vise/??? vice.
Looks like I'll have to add a bunch more companies.

Also Ron, have you noticed if I missed any tools from the Prefix listing? If so could you possible create a list and I can add those.

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