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Didn't want to hijack the thread I was in, so decided to start a new thread. This seemed like the appopiate place to put it.

I really wish I could post some pictures, so you could see one of my recent projects. Hopefully, I will at least get to where I can download some pictures, and post those. Time will tell.

Cane prototype. Broke a cane made from a tree limb, that I 'thought' was really strong. So that's when I started thinking about a plywood cane, 3-4 layers thick. Got a head/handle design I liked drawn up, cut out a cardboard copy to check feel, then glued down a paper pattern on what I thought was 1/2" plywood - hey, that's what the sign said, shoulda checked. Did this different than I usually do. Cut out the head (looks something like a cartoon bird, a mean bird ) and the shaft was seperate, so had two pieces to tack down. That didn't go as well as I would have preferred, because my nails were meant for as 1" master, so were too long, should have had 3/4" nails, but didn't at the time. So the head and shaft road up a bit while routing. Hmm, went ahead and glued down the routed piece to anothe piece of plywood, then routed that. OK, bit was just at the top of the top piece, so got some cutting I did not want. WTF? Turned out the plywood is NOT the 1/2" I thought I had bought, but a tad over 1/8" less. Wound up having to tilt the piece a bit so I didn't chew thu both pieces. Bah. It's a proof of concept piece anyway, so I'll drop the rioute in the plate a bit before I rout more of this. OK, the two layes looked good, the handle felt good, but needed a third layer of plywood. This made it tall enough so the bit followed the outline very nicely. In fact, I even got a couple of ideas out of it. With three layers this should have been at 1 1/2" thick, or very close. Not. 1 1/8" thick, meaning another layer of plywood. I think it would be as strong as I need at 1 1/8", but the goal was 1 1/2", so another layer. After I routed the second layer I also cut it to 40" long. My present tree limb cane is 36", according to the guidelines too tall for me, I'm 5'7", but I like it a bit long. I'll use the prototype for a few days at 40", to see how that feels, but I'm sure I will cut it down to 38". If that works well, then it'll get a bit of fancy work, to see how it looks. Then it will get some destructive testing. And by that, I mean that first is will get the head slammed repeatedly into something very hard, to see how it stands up. Then I'll see if it will stand up to a lot of weight in the center of the shaft. I want something that will last.

Once that's all done, I'll make all changes to the design I want, make a new master, then a new cane the right way, then do some moderate testing on it; I consider it a prototype also.

When the second cane is done I, hopefully, will know just what I'm doing with my two piece master routing. I now have some 3/4" nails, which should insure it. Normally I do one master and I am done with that particular design/style. This time I have ten or more cane heads drawn up. Only one or two of the heads will not be painted probably; most will - ducks, geese, toucan, flamingo, and I don't know what else will evolve. I'm thinking some will appeal to only men, some only women, some women and kids, and some only kids. Time will tell; I'm thinking seriously about making them to sell, but will make one of each design for myself. The designs are original; I did use Daffy Duck as inspiration for one - but you can't tell now, theres that much change to it; most of the rest were inspired by photos. And I think three came purely out of my mind.

It sucks not being able to post photos of this. But I am pursuing a solution. I'll repot progress, and when I can, post pictues, they're in my camera.

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OK. Finally got some pictures downloaded. Now a test to see if I can post any. This will be my prototype cane as it is this evening. I hope.

OK, seems I can find, sort, where my pictures are, but these two are not what I had in mind. The second picture is two of my cane handle designs. The first is my modded Marlin .22.
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"It ain't what you're told, it's what you know." - Granny Weatherwax
Gather the villagers, pitchforks, torches; we march at dusk!
Some days, the supply of available curse words is insufficient to meet my demands.
.....Call me a craftsman, artisan, or artistic, and I will accept that. Call me an artist and you will likely get a quite rude comment in return. I am not a @#$%ing artist.

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This seems to be it. It's rough if you're close to it, but no prob, it's a prototype. But my prototypes usually are a bit more presentable than this one. Ah well, it'll do.
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I've been looking over my prototype, and have decided that I will be adding one more layer of plywood to this cane. However, before I do that I will drill nail pilot holes thru it, to let me use it as a master to rout out two copies of the cane handle; I like the handle, which I am very satisfied with. This will give me two handles on a piece of plywood, so I will use a straightedge and will mark a straight line from the handle down on each, one 1" wide, and one 1 1/2" wide, then rough cut on the outside of each handle. Tack the straightedge alone one side of a shaft line, rout it, then turn the straightedge around, and rout the other side, repeat on the other blank.

Then glue both down, rout them out, drill them both for nail pilot holes - these will both be kept as masters, making sure the shaft is smooth and straight. Then I'll use each to rout out two blanks, 1" shaft, and 1 1/2" blank. Those two will then be glued to plywood, routed, and glued again, making two new protypes, for further field testing. Both will be 40" long, and the last 11" on each side of the bottom will have 1/4" trimmed off the 1 1/2" cane. Confused yet?

The 1" wide shaft will have a total of three thicknesses, the 1 1/2" shaft four. Once I get them both made, I'll cut the original cane to 38", so see if I like it better then its present 40"s, and my tree limb cane's 36". Now, recall the two masters I kept back? I will be doing some roundove and 45 degree routing on each, to see how it comes out. And, if every thing comes out like I think it will, I'll already have my master patterns/templates made.

Once I have the masters ready I will also use them two rout out a 1" and a 1 1/2" shaft blank, lengthening each to 40" long, glue another layer of plywood on each, making two shaft masters. I will then match one up with a new handle blank, and rout to make a new master. This will give me a new master for each size shaft, and each different handle. It may seem confusing, so ask if you want to have something explained. I do stuff like this pretty often, so it's clear to me. Gives me nice, repeatable results, with a minimum of hassle. Actually I consider making the masters fo the shafts maybe the hardest part, or at least the biggest pain.

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OK, nice to be able to save and post pictures again. Now if it was just easy tracking down where the pictures are saved. Here are some of the handle designs I will be using for my canes. The first couple are 100% original by me, the othes were inspired by photos; or, in a few instances, drawings. But any inspirations were radically changed from the originals.
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Gather the villagers, pitchforks, torches; we march at dusk!
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I like your concept. Neat project. However, if you use the Marlin for a cane, nobody will mess with you.

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Theo.

As with Troy, I like it also. I've followed your past projects with interest. You do make them into an art with craftsmanship and pride.

As I get older, the slot in the back of my knee gets worse and I have to wear hinged braces, I've had to use a cane more often. Funny how when you have to start using something...

I didn't comment, but I have been reading every one of your posts in this. I am following this new direction of yours and am curious how it goes for you.

I'm imagining that it is going to turn out visually like a laminate. What kind of plywood are you using that you are not being plaqued with voids? Baltic Birch? Russian Birch?

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Ahhhhhhhhhhhh....Russian Baltic Birch is fantastic to work with.

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I have been using a cane for the last 12 years, and I like your ideas! On the photos of the handles, for me the handle in photos 6 and 7 look to be the most comfortable. A very important feature if used in real life. But 3 and 4 are my favorites design, ones like these I would use occasionally regardless of how comfortable they are.

Thanks for sharing.

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Thanks guys. I don't need a cane most of the time, but when I do I need it right now, if my knee or hip gives me a problem, then I'm very happy to have it along. It comes in handy other wise too, if something is too far back on the top shelf at the store, just hook it with the handle and pull it forward, I figure if you ever get attacked by a dog a cane will be good protection, just run it down his throat. Won't work that well with more then one dog, but then you use it like a baaseball bat. You can use it on a thug too, but in that case I'd want to do some serious reading and/or lessons in cane/stick fighting befoe you have to try it.

Which is one of the reasons I started this project. I've made half a dozen or so canes. The first was made from oak flooring I got for free. I planed it to 1/2" thick, then cut it down to 1" wide, laminated the shaft, glued a couple of wide pieces at the top, and cut the inside with a 7" hole saw, and rounded the outside with a bandsaw. Then rounded the edges with a bit of sanding and a very sturdy, and not bad looking, cane. Carried that until I left it on the top of my vehicle, and drove off. Miss that cane. Did the same thing with a couple of store bought canes, which made me try making my own. That's when I went to the tree limb canes. Always heard people give compliments on the looks and sturdiness of them. Wasn't all that impressed with the looks, but sturdy was what I was after - and thought I had it, until I slid down some crusty snow covered porch steps, landed on top of my cane, and snapped it like a twig. Fortunately I had a spare in the truck, but that's when, and how, i thought, laminated plywood canes.

By the way, these first three canes are all prototypes, and will eventually be destructive tested, to compare them. And I'm using part of my stash of not very fancy sheathing plywood to make them, voids and all. But that's OK, once I get thru with these I'll get some Sitka Spruce, Baltic Birch, or other nice plywood, for the real canes.

Marvin, I think you'd be surpised. Handles 3 and 4 both have a bump, like the one on my prototypes. On the prototype, that bump is in just the right position to fit into the palm of the hand, and that is what makes it comfortable to me. I hope the bumps on those two are in just the right position to fit the palm - because if they don't, I'll be doing a remake on both. I don't think any of them will be uncomfortable, at least hope not, but I do think those two will be just a bit more comfortable. Glad you like 'em.

Yesterday I tacked the first cane onto a piece of plywood, so I could rout out a copy of the handle, and use it with a 1" wide shaft template, and glue that to a piece of plywood. I forgot the handle is three layers thick, so the nails to tack it down where a tad short, which meant the new handle piece did not rout that fantastic - but it worked, routed that out today, and have the third layer gluing now. It won't come out exactly 1"X1", but close enough. I'll be able to judge the strength, to round the edges, then judge the strength again. I tried routing out another handle thiis afternoon, for a 1 1/2"X1 1/2" shaft, which will be four layers. Those voids wound up making a two piece handle after it broke, but It glued together nicely, and that will be on the inside. These are both like the first one, above, so no pictures. These all came out a bit rougher than I'd planned, but not that bad. Once I figure out which shaft size I'll actually use, I'll spend a lot more time getting a good pattern. But I'm satisfied with what I've got right now.

I've got about eleven handle designs glued to plywood, waiting to be cut out, then they'll be glued to another piece of plywood, along with a shaft blank, and both routed to make a two layer master. I'll spend some time on these, making them nice. I'm thinking I'll cut out another copy of the present handle also; it was just zipped out, to use for the testing, but It's turned out to be nicely comfortable, and I like it. I'll spend time on all the masters; they have to be nice and smooth, because any little bump, dip, or other irregularity, will show up in the copies.

I'll be routing these two out tomorrow, then another layer glued on the 1 1/2"X1 1/2" shaft, which will give it three layers, then just one more layer. I forgot to glue on another layer on the first one made also, so that will be tomorrow also. The 1"X1" shaft one will be good at three layers.

Interesting tidbit. My tree limb cane is 36", which feels a bit short for me. The original cane started at 40", which I knew was way long for me. I cut it down to 39", which was still too long, used it for a day. Then cut it down to 38", which I figured was what I would be happy with. Well, tomorrow or the next day I am cutting it down to 37 1/2" to see how I like that. Amazing that that little amount of length is so noticable. If the 37 1/2" still feels longer then I'm satisfied with, I'll start cutting off 1/4" at a time to see how that feels. I'd never have thunk it, but it's true.

Hopefully I'll have something picture worthy in a day or two. I am more and more pleased with how all of this is going together. I'll be making a batch of canes for myself, and rotate use, but will also have a try at making some for sale.


Troy. Nah, I'm a grumpy old man, and I'm going to be carrying a cane sturdy enough to beat the crap out of a wild boar, the Marlin is reserved for cans and paper targets. And I pack. Hehehehe

Anything not clear ask away. I know I'm not sure just what I'm going to do until I get out there and actually do it sometimes, so I have to ask myself what I'm doing.

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Gather the villagers, pitchforks, torches; we march at dusk!
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.....Call me a craftsman, artisan, or artistic, and I will accept that. Call me an artist and you will likely get a quite rude comment in return. I am not a @#$%ing artist.

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