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Anyone have an idea where I can find plans and or step by step instructions on building cottage pane windows please ? I am still a rookie but "where there is a will, there's a way.
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Anyone have an idea where I can find plans and or step by step instructions on building cottage pane windows please ? I am still a rookie but "where there is a will, there's a way.
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What do you mean by "cottage pane windows"? I suspect you mean what we over here refer to as "horizontal sliding sashes" or in the vernacular "Yorkshire lights". The other meaning might be "side hung casement windows". Using the correct name makes finding details much easier

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I thought Dries was referring to 'divided light' style sashes(?). Muntin bars etc.
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With sealed unit lights, the pragmatic approach is to use wood grids, essentially faux muntins to give the divided light effect. Each sealed unit has a cost, they aren't cheap, and with the added labour, maintenance and inferior performance there's very little justification to go to individual divided light style sash. The only good reason might be to restore existing windows, and even that's hard to justify up here where we get actual Winters!
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What do you mean by "cottage pane windows"? I suspect you mean what we over here refer to as "horizontal sliding sashes" or in the vernacular "Yorkshire lights". The other meaning might be "side hung casement windows". Using the correct name makes finding details much easier

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Thank you sir. Yeah we on this side of the pond call it cottage pane. Will look more in the line of sashes, thank you
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I googled "making wood windows" and got a bazillion hits....
all that is left is to pick size and style...
Thx. Been there, maybe I did not look far enough down the line. Will have another look then
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Hi Dries

I went and searched for "cottage pane windows" and the results were exclusively in ZA/SA. The main type of window is what we refer to as a "side and top hung casement window, outward opening", or simply as an outward opening casement. Here's a cross section from the 1950s showing a window with a top hung upper sash, transom bar and a side hung lower sash:



The main differences between practice then and now is that modern windows are double or triple glazed (which makes for deeper sections) and that the modern way of beading works a bead on the outside with a planted glazing bead pinned to the inside of the sash frames whereas in the days of single glazing (as in the example above) they generally worked the bead profile on the inside and puttied-in the glass from the outside

Hope that helps explain the structure (although glazing bars are removed for simplicity)

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Thanks a mill. Thats more or less what I had in mind. Here in SA we do not really do the double or triple glazed as our winters are more like your summers half the time. Maybe its about time we do, as I presume it can only help with insulation and better management of our chaotic electricity
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Dries; the trick with the double glazing is 'Low E' glass and argon gas between the inner and outer pane
-no condensation
-very very low radiant heat buildup on the interior...low convection to the outside.
If used on skylights, tinting of the glass isn't necessary to control solar gain.
-lower cost
-higher light levels

Phil; thank G*d they haven't gone the 'install-from-the-interior' route here! What you're describing is absolutely dependant on a perfect seal (forever), and preventative maintenance. Condo rot has cost billions over here in NA; the very last thing they need is one more route for water ingression.
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Hi Phil

Thanks a mill. Thats more or less what I had in mind. Here in SA we do not really do the double or triple glazed as our winters are more like your summers half the time. Maybe its about time we do, as I presume it can only help with insulation and better management of our chaotic electricity
The same thing that keeps a house warm will also keep it cool. Good quality windows and R40 or better insulation over your ceiling can save you a bundle on air conditioning costs.

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