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OK, guys, since there are no projects going on I thought that I would start this for forum discussion.

I built a stand for my new DeWalt 735 planer. I still have two drawers and doors for the front to build, then pop some finish on it to provide some protection. I will then install the infeed/outfeed tables and an iGaging 510 on the planer and remount it to the stand. Hopefully, I will get some ďme timeĒ this weekend to finish up, in spite of the heat.

Iíll admit that I have been putting this chore off.

Now for the discussion:

I will be eventually hooking up an Oneida Dust Deputy to address the dust collection for the 735. Since I have little or no free floor space I will be going up (as opposed to out) with the DD and the old 16 Gallon Craftsman shop vacuum that I will be using.

Now there are several ways to do this. One is to build a roll around cart to stack the shop vac and the DD on. This makes it very portable, light and compact. A good example of this would be the build from Jayís Customs Creations.

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The down side type of arrangement is the noise from the shop vac. Although not as bad as some, this shop vac can still be annoying and I would prefer to muffle the noise as much as possible. However, in order to accomplish this I will have to build some sort of a cabinet to enclose the vacuum. There are a lot of designs out there (youtube). Some use sound deadening and some use baffles to suppress the sound. Some use a combination of sound deadening and baffles. However, my footprint would increase slightly, the unit would be taller, and it would be heavier and more bulky to move around.

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So, letís discuss, specific, practical examples of how some of you have or would addressed this issue,

Valid pros and cons on the means and methods of sound suppression.

Source of low cost sound deadening material, if it is used,

Other non-sound deadening solutions designs, etc.,

Just to get juices flowing.

If we can come to a consensus and as a group nail down a design I will undertake to do a step by step photo tutorial and build the unit.
This will get me the best bang for the buck based on collective experience and hopefully provide some incentives for the newer or less experienced members.

Here is a photo of what we will be working with for this project.

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Hey Bill...

just hooked up my 735 a little while back. Hooked up to a 5hp craftsman shopvac. and dust deputy. Between the shop vac and the DD I still get a good bit of chips that do not get collected by the system. The 735 really must push out some volumn because it has blown the top off my DD twice now (PLastic bucket, not a metal container) what a MESS!! geesh. Looks like the metal can has a positive lock so I think you should be good to go. I'd put a couple of handles on that can to make it easier to tote around after its full.
I got the HEPA filter for the Craftsman vac. A little more expensive up front, but blowing it clean is alot easier and quicker than the old paper filters.

I guess its ok to enclose the vac in some kind of housing, but I'd still be leary of heat buildup.

Most excellent idea on the build and making a tutorial out of it...by its nature alone I think this might generate alot of interest...
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Bill, interesting timing on this thread - I'm interested in seeing some of the responses. About a year ago, I built a setup as you described (vacuum over shop-made cyclone) on a open 2 tier wheeled cart (specifically built because of my DW735, I just disconnect the vacuum when connected to the planer). You are correct on the noise irritation - I used to cringe turning it on for a quick cut. I had a noise dampening enclosure project on the books for a while. I finally gave up on it because I couldn't justify the sound proofing material I could find, or afford the additional foot print I thought it might take. And I wasn't sure about the potential heat build-up or minimum air circulation required. I caved and upgraded my old Rigid shop vac to a quieter Rigid. Much better but I'd still prefer less noise.
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I am sort of doing something similar. I am planning to build some type of rolling cart. I wanted to go vertical rather than side by side for save a bit of space. I have a 20g fiber drum, a ridgid shop vac and of course the Dust Deputy. I am trying to figure out how best to plumb it using as much pvc pipe as possible for a smoother air flow. The Dust Deputy has 2" outlets, the shop vac as 2 1/2". Does anyone know if it works better to go down 1/2" to 2 inches or up to 3" for the pvc piping ? I have no background in air flow. :-)


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The 735 really must push out some volumn because it has blown the top off my DD twice now (PLastic bucket, not a metal container) what a MESS!! geesh. Looks like the metal can has a positive lock so I think you should be good to go. I'd put a couple of handles on that can to make it easier to tote around after its full.
I had the same problem. I used a 20gal plastic bucket which was a bad idea because it didn't have the structure to not partially collapse under vacuum. I built an internal "rib cage" out of a spiral length of 1/2in PEX - fixed that problem. Regarding blowing the lid off - had that problem too. Fixed that with a couple 2x4 lengths that I wedge between the cyclone top and the shelf support above where the vacuum resides..
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Hey Bill...

just hooked up my 735 a little while back. Hooked up to a 5hp craftsman shopvac. and dust deputy. Between the shop vac and the DD I still get a good bit of chips that do not get collected by the system. The 735 really must push out some volumn because it has blown the top off my DD twice now (PLastic bucket, not a metal container) what a MESS!! geesh. Looks like the metal can has a positive lock so I think you should be good to go. I'd put a couple of handles on that can to make it easier to tote around after its full.
I got the HEPA filter for the Craftsman vac. A little more expensive up front, but blowing it clean is alot easier and quicker than the old paper filters.

Most excellent idea on the build and making a tutorial out of it...by its nature alone I think this might generate alot of interest...
I guess its ok to enclose the vac in some kind of housing, but I'd still be leary of heat buildup.

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I have a HEPA on the SV already. I will be using a 4" to the cyclone and of course a 2-1/2 from the cyclone to the shop vac.

My main goal is portability with sound suppression being the secondary goal. Since I will be building something anyway, I thought I could incorporate some of the groups ideas.

Some of the less experienced folks can follow along and hopefully learn. The cyclone set-up, as you know, is portable and can be used on any piece of equipment. I just so happen to be dealing with the 735.

See Bill, you just contributed: heat build up will be a concern and maybe as a group we can come up with a solution to the problem.

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Given that the planer, and other machines are pretty loud to begin with, will the shop vac make much difference ? I usually wear noise reducing headphones as it is. They are hot, but I figure the -34 DB reduction is worth sweating over.
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All thickness planers produce a tremendous amount of debris. I do not use a separator on mine; I use it outside and just empty the bag as needed.

I prefer the small 5 gallon bucket style separators since they are so easy to empty.

I always use hearing protection when running the thickness planer and dust collector.
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Agreed on hearing protection for the planer - I always use them myself but for a couple passes on the router table or the jointer (which is the quietest machine I have), the shop vac destroys the Zen of the moment. And Mike, I must be using the planer wrong ... I can easily dump my 20gal cyclone bucket 3 times in a session and I know when it gets full, the chips start coming out of the open exhaust which I direct to another trash can (and always run it outside)
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Given that the planer, and other machines are pretty loud to begin with, will the shop vac make much difference ? I usually wear noise reducing headphones as it is. They are hot, but I figure the -34 DB reduction is worth sweating over.
Point well taken, however, I would be using it for other equipment, also. The 735 is just a place holder for the project.

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