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post #1 of 29 (permalink) Old 05-04-2018, 01:57 PM Thread Starter
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Im looking into opening a Picture Frame Shop, i have the Router figured out (Triton TRA001) and will attach it to a table, i will be using this to do my own frames ONLY, in your expert opinion what is the best brand for performance / durability, price is not an issue as long it makes sense, for example if Product A is twice as much as Product B but it lasts 3x more.. I hear alot of mixed reviews about Freud and Yonico, not sure those are really the best anymore.

Ideally i would like to buy WHOLE profile bits that would do the molding in one go, but if you guys think its best practise to buy simplier bits and create my own profiles with them, thats fine aswell, i will be starting with 5 different woods, 5 profiles would give the customers 25 options, i just want to make sure they are the best quality bits and ideally that i can purchase them individually and not in 30-50 bits sets where i will only use 10% of them, just not worth the investment.

Looking forwards your input, thanks in advance!
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Might want to fill in your personal info, name, experience, location, and all.

My personal input is, don't quit your day job. I've known a number of people who quit their job to start a business, and rapidly went out of business. Start it on the side, see if you make money, and if you get to the point where you are making as much with your side job as your regular job, then think about quitting your day job.

Dunno about the bits. I just buy decent quality bits, whatever brand is available at the time, and they tend to last me for years. Some of the other guys will tell all you need to know about bits.

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Marcio; hey, welcome!
Are you in the US?
The general consensus seems to be that Whiteside is the best...but keep in mind, these are bits available at retail. There are custom bits and industrial bits out there that most of us have no access to. In some case the industrial bits are prohibitively expensive for we hobbyists.
As an example CMT makes three grades of bits:
The first link is an interesting read...
http://www.cmtutensili.com/media/fil..._perfect10.pdf
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Thanks for the business tip, but working on the side wont be a possibility, the framing side is just a portion of the business plan, its a big risk i know, but there is no rewards without risks in life! haha
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Thanks Danin!

Im from Europe (Portugal).
Thank you for the links, i will definitely take a look at that.

I dont believe i would be needing an industrial grade bit, i dont plan on running wood thro a single bit 8h a day haha, but i will take a look at this CMT brand as i heard of it before.

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Just checked the industrial grade bits from CMT and the prices are actually pretty much inline with the ones from Freud, both are a steep value but if their durability compensates the difference, may still be in game.
It almost seems that most people go for the Yonico tho, saying that the price difference compensates in terms of durability against high price brands such as Freud, lets see if we have some people here in the forum with prior experience to these, would be great to hear from experts vs amazon reviews.
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If you are really planing on getting into making picture frame molding to make money off, you should really look at getting a molder. Hundreds of complex shapes can be made in a single pass (or a couple passes with really deep profiles). The molder holds the material securely and feeds it pass the cutter head.
The cutters can produce hundreds if not thousands of feet of molding before sharpening.

Using a router to make complex moldings is something a hobbyist would do to make a couple dozen feet of molding, or for making one offs.

Its ok to start out with a router to see if you can make any money, but you wont be making real money using a router requiring numerous passes and setups to create a complex profile.


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Marcio; take a look at the DIMAR bits also. German steel and Carbide.
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I make picture frames, but do not mill the wood yet. The tool I find most useful is a miter trimmer. This tool first was made about the 1880 as the Lyon miter trimmer. Mine is identical but made by Grizzly. It produces a perfect 45 or 90 degree cut. You rough cut to size, then use the trimmer to trim off a very thin amount from the ends. You can buy supports with stops to help make exactly matching lengths. I use a sliding miter to get a really good 45, then perfect it on the trimmer. Picture attached. The second picture is of a frame I made that has a two tone finish.

Mine is mounted on a piece of ply. If I were using it in a frame shop, I'd set up the tool on a larger table so that the wings were fixed in a precise position. I'd also consider replacing the manufacturer's wings so I'd have a longer set for the larger frames I's want to be making for artist clients.

As with any business, marketing, the courting and development of customers, especially regular customers, is the key.

I found a couple of books on the topic. "Making Picture Frames in Wood," by Manly Banister, is interesting. The other is very specialized, "Starting up a Gallery and Frame Shop, by Annabelle Ruston. It includes business, marketing, sales, inventory and other topics from the viewpoint of a business standpoint. Both are in the used book market. I think locating in a well-to-do area where the arts are pursued seriously, would be wise. Low rent won't help much if no one in the area is willing to pony up the fare for a great frame, or the art that goes in it. You will have to reach out in your marketing effort, you won't get much walk-by business. I'd also want to be very visible in the arts communities, among galleries and art brokers of modern works.

Forgive me for my marketing emphasis, but I teach the topic as a consultant and always think this way.
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I agree with using a modding machine if you are planning on modest to high production. You can make intricate frames with simple bits but it requires multiple passes and multiple setups. In other words it wouldn’t likely be profitable. I’ve made some like that. I think the pictures are in the first 2 or 3 oldest pages of my uploads. I also recommend if you do it that way you have a horizontally mounted router. The problem with doing it on a standard router table is that you are removing wood that is needed to keep the wood piece stable on the table top.
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