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Only bit I have from MLCS is a down cut spiral, carbide, half inch. Carbide tip broke after a couple of uses. My bit sets are mostly Sommerfeld. Excellent. Many of my general use bits are Freud, which I really like. My 1/4 inch shank bits are all Freud. I have a few Rockler brand bits, which are good, but rarely used.
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Default Let's read Wood Magazine Router Bits test results

Wood magazine tested many brands of Router bits in detail and
here are the detailed results published in PDF by CMT because CMT came out #1 in the test.

http://www.cmtutensili.com/media/fil..._perfect10.pdf

BETTER than arguing with our own qualitative & STRONG OPINIONS.
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Wood magazine tested many brands of Router bits in detail and
here are the detailed results published in PDF by CMT because CMT came out #1 in the test.

http://www.cmtutensili.com/media/fil..._perfect10.pdf

BETTER than arguing with our own qualitative & STRONG OPINIONS.
too bad CS/TS wasn't factored in to tell the rest story....
like I said... CMT produced good quality bits but their CS sucked...
that test doesn't factor in everything...
at one time all I used was CMT till I hit my limit of having to deal w/ them...
WTB they didn't test CMT's and Amana's off shore bits either which both outfits market as the same as their regular bits......

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A router bit has no resale value and is an expendable item. For the most part the bits stay in their package and only get used occasionally if ever. I have never run across a bit that wasn't good for at least the first few times I used it, and I can't say how long the cheaper bits last because I have never worn one out. If I did I would take it back and ask for a new one.
I agree and I think what we have in this thread is two trains of thought, one for the professional/heavy user and one for the DIY/light user and it seems never the twain shall meet.

If I am making a coffee table for example and want a nice molding bit for the edges do I go out and buy an expensive bit that will last a lifetime, use it once and leave it in it's packet for the rest of my life. Or do I buy a cheaper costing bit that will do the same job. It would be like buying a Ferrari to do the weekly grocery shop, it would be nice if you have the money to throw around but completely unnecessary. So it's horses for courses, if your a heavy user or just like to buy the best no matter the cost then you can spend till your bank manager calls. Or if you are on a budget like me and only use something occasionally it makes no sense to spend up big on one bit.

One more thing to remember is location, here in Australia we don't enjoy the cheap prices of things like in the U.S. For example comparing the prices of equivalent size classical molding bit 1/2" shank with bearing:

CMT 841.880.11 = $79.00
Carbitool TC16 B 1/2 = $59.00
Huhao 6201 = $18.00

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"Freud router bits- constantly letting me down
« on: March 24, 2012, 06:08 PM »

Really fed up with Freud bits and I am going to start using other brands.

Strike 1. After the first pass with a panel raising bit, the carbide chipped. I was definitely not overtaxing the bit, so I exchanged it for a new one. Same thing happened again with the new bit so contacted Freud and they asked me to send it to them so they could check it out. They sent me a third bit which seems ok so far.

Strike 2. Then I had a 1/8" bit break on me. OK, not a big issue, this is a fragile bit and can easily happen.

Strike 3. Yesterday, I was routing some dadoes with a 1/4" bit and when I went to clean them up afterwards with a router plane, the 1/4" blade would not fit in the dado. When I measured the router bit it was 1/32" undersized. That's a lot. About 12% variance in fact.

I went to the store to get a new bit and asked the sales assistant to measure them first. We checked two. Both were undersized by around 1/32" as well. Rubbish.

I would be interested to know whether I am asking too much for my bits to be more accurately sized. These bits are not cheap and cost about $25 each. "

There are PEOPLE NOT satisfied with FEUD now owned by BOSCH.

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Seems I've opened a can of, well not really sure.... Thing is and I really think is key, as Hypnotoad said, usage is key. While I do buy mostly Whiteside because they are American made and have performed well, the bits being made in China aren't all anywhere near the same as all being bad. Sommerfield and others are made there and although I haven't used any yet, in fact other than their website and here I've never heard of them before,they seem to be held in high esteem by some. But with companies having tight QC in the factories there is some great stuff made in China. Sort of reminds me of the old days and stuff from Japan. At one time it was all considered cheap junk and now they are a major competitor. I did have one bit break on me and it was my fault, a 1/4" straight cut bit with a 1/2" shank. I was cutting slots in 3/4" plywood and the tip broke off. MCLS did a quick replacement and pointed out my mistake, too much too fast. I slowed the cut down and took several more passes to complete and was fine. That one is on me. So far of the other bits I've used from the set they've been fine. Will they hold up to other brand, I guess I'll see. That being said I buy all my specialty bits from Whiteside and Infinity ( which may be made in the USA). Another important factor is how well the bits are kept/cleaned. It like my Forrest Woodworker blades, I've just noticed they are collecting gum and residue, in needing of a good cleaning.
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I think many good brands have Chinese origins, but with tight QC in the factory. For example, Laguna buys Taiwanese cast iron parts that they monitor closely. This was a useful discussion.

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I think many good brands have Chinese origins, but with tight QC in the factory. For example, Laguna buys Taiwanese cast iron parts that they monitor closely. This was a useful discussion.
You are correct, it's like I said about golf clubs, nearly all those top branded clubs you see professionals use and are sold in sports stores are either fully made or made of parts made in China. At the other end of the scale cheap clubs, counterfeits and knock offs from China are very poor quality, you can't tar them all with the one brush.

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CMT 841.880.11 = $79.00
Carbitool TC16 B 1/2 = $59.00
Huhao 6201 = $18.00
Carbitools is a good MELBOURNE company and as an Australian Citizens I bought quite a few bits from them. I also bought the 10pc Brass template guide bushings and universal template guide from them.
Carbitools bits and saws can be returned for resharpening and they also can make bits to your specs.
They also resell imported quality T-cut router bits sets for Handyman use.
One of my church member a migrant from China works there and was paid DECENT Australian wages to work on precision CNC lathes and CNC laser cutters.
I have never bought any CMT because I do not like their METRICATED design.
CMT makes saws with 100% 30mm bore (+ washers) and 250mm diameter (instead of 254mm) when I need 5/8" or 1" bore and 10" diameter (254mm) blades. If I buy ITALIAN metricated blade I will instantly have reduced depth of cut.
I had also wanted to buy their COOKTOP jig but it was designed for 30mm guide bush and 12mm router bits YET their do not sell nor supply 30mm guide bush or a 12mm router bits with them in Australia. If I buy one from UK, I can get a 30mm guide bush bundled and use standard 1/2" router bits.
So buying LOCAL has advantages.

I used to buy Vermont American circular blades until Bosch bought their company and destroyed their brand. Bosch also bought Skil and decided to sack all American workers by selling Skil to a China based company and letting the china company do that dirty job for them.
And yet so many American Router Forum members are pushing Bosch. WHY?

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I used to buy Vermont American circular blades until Bosch bought their company and destroyed their brand. Bosch also bought Skil and decided to sack all American workers by selling Skil to a China based company and letting the china company do that dirty job for them.
And yet so many American Router Forum members are pushing Bosch. WHY?
I have to admit that I knew little about Bosch when I bought I my routers but that they had a solid reputation when it came to routers. I've also heard great things about their circular saw. I own a Bosch orbital sander as well based on reputation. That said, when I did have questions about the proper bushing set for the 1617EVS and called Bosch the lady I spoke with wasn't very helpful. I had better luck getting information from the dealers themselves. As far as usage, most of its life has been spent in my router table and I have a Colt for lighter handheld jobs. I also have several old Craftsman routers and an old Power Kraft which belonged to my Father-in-Law, all fixed base.

I try to buy all American made tools, well almost everything actually, but that's almost impossible these days. When you think they're American made you find out that maybe only the tag and packaging was. My SawStop PCS is a fine example of an American company, now owned by Festool I believe, and made in Asia. But as far as quality, the fit and finish is great. Everything is square and the finish is great. The braking system was the prime reason for getting this saw and the best reason I know of to continue using it. My Father-in-law cut 3 of his fingers on his right hand nearly off and fortunately it was in the early days of microsurgery and they were able to reattach and give him the use back. Wasn't the prettiest but functional. For me there was no questioning when I asked my wife about getting the SawStop after we watched the video and saw one in demo. As long as tight QC is performed in manufacturing and assembly there's no reason you shouldn't end up with a great product. But I would prefer to support American workers as long as the quality is good.
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