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I'm curious about MCLS router bits. I have a set that I picked up back some time ago when I was in Huntingdon Valley, Pa doing some telescope work and was wondering about others experiences. These are carbide tipped bits but as I've come to find out there's a big difference in bit quality. The set I have is lightly used being only a few used so far and have for the most part been buying Whiteside individual bits as needed and a few Infinity bits that are somewhat unique and/or on sale. I read a few posts on Sommerfeld bits and visited their website which is quite dated I think. Seems their last catalog is a few years old, at least according to the website. I did email them and inquired where their bits were made and was advised in China.

I bought the MCLS set because it was a bargain and I wanted 1/2" shank bits for the router table and my Bosch 1617EVS. That plus I was there and the discounted price seemed to good to pass up. I figured it would be a quick start until I figured just what I needed and I'm a bit impulsive. I also picked up a scratch and dent drill press table that at their price I couldn't have built for less.

I also added to my tools a Bosch Colt router that takes 1/4" shank bits only so I need to determine what use that will serve. So far I'm thinking that will work fine for my Porter Cable Dovetail jig and trim work. So I imagine most everyone has their own preferences for bits and what they consider good value but I'd be interested in hearing about that. I own a few Freud bits, the above mentioned 66 piece MCLS set, and now about a dozen Whiteside bits not to mention about 5 Infinity bits. And I haven't used any enough to decide on which I like best. I do have a Lapped Miter bit and setup blocks coming from Infinity that seem to be taking forever to get here. I ordered them on 6/3 but it's like waiting on an IRS refund.....
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MCLS... won't touch them... had one lose it's carbide and hit me in the ear.. the wasn't any fun and expensive too... reconstructive surgery wasn't any picnic either...
PC dovetail... re-gifted the one I got as a gift... it has since been re-gifted several times... real partial to my Leigh D4R...
Whiteside.. good stuff...
Freud.. my preference as I was a commercial operation... better bits w/ high mileage and most excellent CS... very good overall value...

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MCLS... won't touch them... had one lose it's carbide and hit me in the ear.. the wasn't any fun and expensive too... reconstructive surgery wasn't any picnic either...
Reading reviews on MLCS bits on Amazon there is an alarming number of people reporting carbide came off, the bit broke in half, sheared off etc. Something drastically wrong with quality control.

I bought a Bosch set and although they are not the sharpest bits in town do the job, I used to use Carbitool an Australian made high quality bit but they cost a lot. I have been buying Huhao industrial grade and Arden professional grade from China, now before you say anything these are not your regular cheap Chinese rubbish. I have found them to be the sharpest, cleanest cutting bits I have owned and seem to last as long as Carbitool for a lot less money, I don't do that much routing so they will outlast me. The only caveat is you have to wait a couple of weeks to get them.

Of course you can't go wrong with Freud, Whiteside etc but if like me your not using them every day cost is a factor.
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I have one or two but don't use them much. My preferences are Whiteside, Amana, Infinity, CMT, and on occasion Freud. One of my favorites was PRC (Paso Robles Carbide/Ocemco) that the late Pat Warner liked. But they went out of business in 2009.
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Diablo bits & saws are available in Bunnings Australia.
Is Diablo = Fleud or is inferior like "Marktec of Makita"

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Reading reviews on MLCS bits on Amazon there is an alarming number of people reporting carbide came off, the bit broke in half, sheared off etc. Something drastically wrong with quality control.
chinese junk...
remember..
w/ the chinese made shid you are the QC department more often than not...
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Diablo bits & saws are available in Bunnings Australia.
Is Diablo = Fleud or is inferior like "Marktec of Makita"
if Diablo is made anywhere but Italy it's a knock off even counterfeit...
this applies to the bits also..

Here is a response provided by the top Freud tech guy a number of years ago.

All Freud blades come from the same machines in the same manufacturing plant. We make our own micrograin carbide in numerous formulations that represent various degrees of hardness. The carbide is selected depending on the intended application (the hardest is used for laminates the softest for ripping) as are the tooth angles and tooth quantity. The steel for the blade plates is all the same grade. The brazing is all the same. The key differences between the 3 main lines of Freud blades are:

The LU/LM Industrial blades have the thickest tips for the most resharpenings and are generally full kerf. We also offer the most selection of specialty blades in this line. These have the most appeal to professionals who need to get a lot of sharpenings out of a blade and to artisans who need specialty blades for their projects.

The TK and Diablo lines are very similar. Both are thin kerf blades and the tip thickness is the same. The key difference is in the way we market these blades. The Diablo line has blades intended for purposes like framing, siding, decking and general home improvement and is packaged and promoted in ways that appeal to contractors and DIYers. The TK line has blades for similar purposes (as well as laminate blades) but is sold with different or no coating and different packaging and POP material to appeal more to woodworkers.

Do professional woodworkers shop for blades at Home Depot? Probably some do and they can get excellent performance from a Diablo blade for a lot of their uses but with a shorter overall life (and lower cost) due to the tip thickness. Same with the TK blades at Lowe's.

Why not compare a TK or Diablo blade to Forrest? Consider this analogy: Toyota cars and Lexus cars share a lot of the same components and are made by the same company. Would you compare a Camry with a BMW?

We make a fourth line of blades (F400 Premier series) that is very similar to the WWII and is priced similarly. The difference between ours and Forrest's is that ours is made by computer controlled, super modern equipment and theirs is made by hand. Both methods have advantages and disadvantages but I leave the final verdict to the consumer.

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chinese junk...
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w/ the chinese made shid you are the QC department more often than not...
Yes, that's why I only buy quality Chinese bits, never had a problem with one and they perform far beyond my expectations. I only buy from official manufacturers stores and they have exemplary feed back. A lot of people don't realize that there are completely different levels of quality coming out of China, you can buy cheap bits for a few dollars or pay many times that for an Arden bit. Take golf clubs for example, TaylorMade one of, if not the best are made in China along with the other top names. You can of course get cheap rubbish clubs from China that even "look" like TaylorMade and some even have the TaylorMade markings but that's where the similarity ends.

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Yes, that's why I only buy quality Chinese bits,
that's an oxymoron if there was ever one...
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that's an oxymoron of there was ever one...
Some people think all stuff coming out of China is rubbish, that's their prerogative, I will continue to enjoy saving money and having quality products.

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