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I wonder if the manufacturer noticed that the joint pictured in the top illustration is impossible to make Herb? At least with the bit shown and if only using one bit.
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I'll probably get accused of talking outg of turn but what the heck, I am know for doins gos,

In my ipinion and experience, llthe only people that use set up blocks and/or gauges are those that don't know how to set the bit mathematically.

Now, I'm the first to say that such a statement is a bit arrogant and most people will wonder why I would make such a statement.

There is a god reason for this and this that due to my poor vision along with my desire tmaster the set up. I had to do some work that other's with normal vision wold probably never try to do.

In doing so I found out how to do the set up for any thickness of stock using only my dial calipers and some very simple math.

If anyboy just happens to wonder what I'm talking about, I'll gladly explain it again as I have done so in the past on this forum.

The odds are almost zero that anybody will ever need to use the things that I learned in my quest to do the up the way that I do it.

It's just my nature, as many of the members will attest to, to always try to re-invent the wheel, but when one is handii capped one has to find way to work around such issues.

Now llthat I hve written what I have, I need to akd for forgiveness for being so arrogant.

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I'll probably get accused of talking outg of turn but what the heck, I am know for doins gos,

In my ipinion and experience, llthe only people that use set up blocks and/or gauges are those that don't know how to set the bit mathematically.

Now, I'm the first to say that such a statement is a bit arrogant and most people will wonder why I would make such a statement.

There is a god reason for this and this that due to my poor vision along with my desire tmaster the set up. I had to do some work that other's with normal vision wold probably never try to do.

In doing so I found out how to do the set up for any thickness of stock using only my dial calipers and some very simple math.

If anyboy just happens to wonder what I'm talking about, I'll gladly explain it again as I have done so in the past on this forum.

The odds are almost zero that anybody will ever need to use the things that I learned in my quest to do the up the way that I do it.

It's just my nature, as many of the members will attest to, to always try to re-invent the wheel, but when one is handii capped one has to find way to work around such issues.

Now llthat I hve written what I have, I need to akd for forgiveness for being so arrogant.

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OK, what is the method Jerry?
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I wonder if the manufacturer noticed that the joint pictured in the top illustration is impossible to make Herb? At least with the bit shown and if only using one bit.
Good eye Chuck,
I think I cropped the picture, there is a #51 and a #52 bit,two separate bits. the #52 is the one I wanted to show. My bad when I took the screen shot and cropped it then saved the picture.

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OK, what is the method Jerry?

Tom, it's kind of you ask me about "my method" of setting up the miter lock bit, however, as happy as I am with how I do what I do and the result that I get, I seriously doubt if many of the members would have any realy interest in it. Id say this because I believe that the majority of the member have normal vision or at least good enough vision to do the set up in a traditional manner.

I have been led to believe that many folks have given up on the set usp due to not understand how the joint is designed to work. If I were t tell you what I went through to arrive at what I eventually did, most of the people reading about it would either get a big laugh out of it or just cry when they saw how ignorat ignorat I was in the beginning.

I suppose that I could describe what I learned if there were enough sincere interest in what have to say about what I went through and learned, but I do doubt if that is the case.

But thanks anyway for asking, it did make me feel good that you did ask.


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Considering that these commercial set-up jigs are made for specific thickness material and any difference in thickness will lead to an imperfect joint, it's important to be able to set-up the bit without such an aid. I put a piece of the material against the bit and look along the table as I adjust the height of the bit so that an equal length of the mitre shows at the top and bottom. I then adjust the fence whilst still looking along the table. This gives a close setting, a couple of test cuts will show what fine tuning is required. Once this is perfect, make and keep a small sample for the next time the same thickness material is used, which will be no different to using a set-up jig.
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Now that looks like a MCLS bit or maybe Eagle?
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Here again is the Infinity set up jig. Note with the larger bit that there is a mark for the centerline. That park aligns with the center of the workpiece. Mark the center of the workpiece and line up the mark by adjusting height and you should be very close to perfect, with only a little bit of error. Still going to still make a trial cut, but the correction will be minimal. This is very similar to what Harry described. Tiny errors are barely visible, but people can feel an edge only 1 or 2 thousandths over. No matter what you'll want some extra stock to set up with.

The infinity bits work very well for me.
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AND remember to take the jig off the bit BEFORE you turn on the router.

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