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Okay, I want to get a 1/2" Shank 3/4" Straight & Mortising Router Bit for my Box Joint Beehive Project.
suggest you get a bit that has a slight spiral (down shear) to it and not one w/ a straight cutter....
and you don't want to have much more cut length/depth than you need...
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Here is a Freud on e-bay:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/181950556102...%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
this is a Diablo by Freud and their entry level...
see the PDF...


but for $5 less, I can get this one, which is longer, and has a trim bearing on it.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/400943513534...%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
this one ships from Hong Kong...
I'd suspect a knock off in a heart beat putting size, endurance and quality into question especially for that price....
If it is a knock off you own it, good or bad...


I know you like Freuds and recommend them often.
yup...
I have found better bits out of the box but only by a thin margin..
where the Freuds shine is their Customer Service, longevity and they are good to my bottom line as where replacements are needed more frequently for other brands...
now this is in a commercial shop...
you do realize that these bits you linked to are intended for different tasks..


But for a 'just starting out idjit' like me, would it make much difference one way or t'other, and should the trim bearing and addl. length be a consideration?
what ever...

Thank you for ALL your guidance, advice, and links. You have been SO helpful, just in getting me past my fear of the router table.
no problem...

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"But for a 'just starting out idjit' like me, would it make much difference one way or t'other, and should the trim bearing and addl. length be a consideration?
what ever..."
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Moz; I've posted this 'bit' in the past:
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"But for a 'just starting out idjit' like me, would it make much difference one way or t'other, and should the trim bearing and addl. length be a consideration?
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Moz; I've posted this 'bit' in the past:
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...it be-hoofs-me to add my 2-sense worth!
that's cherry..

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Moz here is a link to a Fine Woodworking router bit test that was done in '07. I don't think a lot has changed since then except for some newer manufacturers that weren't around when the test was done. The method used in the test was fairly sound from a scientific point of view. http://www.whitesiderouterbits.com/T...RouterBits.pdf

The longer a bit is the more it will chatter and vibrate in the cut so you will get a smoother result by using the shortest bit that will get the job done, plus shorter usually means a little cheaper. Avoid the chinese bits off ebay, there may not be the quality control there should be. Although there are bits made in China that are good and those are sold by reputable companies and the factories use quality materials, quality machinery, and have good QC. The very best are still Whiteside's made in North Carolina though.

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Does the number of flutes make a difference? I see single, double, and triple flutes.
I would assume 3 must be a very smooth shave like those Gilette razors.
But is one really crude if sharp?
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more is smother...
one is prone to chatter if the feed rate is too fast...
less cutters cost less...

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Moz; I've posted this 'bit' in the past:
Dan, there is a saying I would hear Master Carpenters say on jobsites:"Good, Fast, Cheap. Pick any 2."
I guess that applies to router bits, too, huh?
~M
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I like that saying, Moz!
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