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post #11 of 28 (permalink) Old 08-27-2017, 08:09 AM
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Doug, Looks like there is enough steel to mount a swing down out feed table using 3 1/2" door hinges mounted to the angle iron and an angled support to the base of the table saw instead of legs to the floor. That way it is always parallel with the top...no matter where you move the saw, and can be folded down when you need more floor space. I made one for my dewalt dw746 saw and its angled support is made from an old walker (medical aide). If your interested I can post photos.
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Like Jerry I've been running without a blade guard for years and the addition of the grippers has certainly been a plus. Having said that, I have often looked at above the table dust collection but to date haven't come up with a reasonable solution that doesn't cost a fortune.

I really appreciate this discussion accordingly.
I probably should not have said what I did in regard to why you need the guard. Anything that can lead to a safer procedure is always a good idea. Like Jon, I have often pondered how to make an ablove the blade DC system. But since I haven't come up with an idea and can't install the one that came with the saw I have had to learn to be careful and form the habits that I expressed in my ealier post.

I have watched Mark Mueller do his demos for the Incra Positioner and since he does not have a guard on his saw, I felt that it would be alright if I learned to be careful.

I did learn the hard way however after a couple of serious kick backs and one instance of getting a finger into the blade just enough to break the skin. These things caused me to stop and pay attention. I was just lucky and should NEVER encourage anyone else to not use a guard.

In regard to drilling the holes in the ZC insert, that works when making cuts that required the ZC insert.

It appers as though you are headed in the right direction Doug, will be watching for what you end up with.

Of course when ripping or cross cutting when the holes are covered up, the holes are of no value. I suppose that a person could just revert to the standard insert with the wide opening for such cuts, I never have and do deal with the dust in my face just like evrery one else. The dust is not a problem, I suppose that I have just gotten used to it and figure that it's just the way it is.

As I recall, there have been posts that sort of suggest that a lot of folks are like myself in regard to not using the guard, but that is no reason to discount the value of having and using one.

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I agree with Jerry's well made points. Safety is always of prime concern around the shop and I wouldn't recommend not using the blade guard either. In addition to the Gripper I also have a splitter mounted in the ZC insert.

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I agree with Jerry's well made points. Safety is always of prime concern around the shop and I wouldn't recommend not using the blade guard either. In addition to the Gripper I also have a splitter mounted in the ZC insert.
Yeah, that little MJ splitter is extremely important and should always be in place if your saw does not have a riving knife.

Still, the best safety tool is one's brain and knowledge of what causes accidents along with being able to stay very focused and concentrated on any cut.

This is, in my opinion the best advise that that anybody can give, especially to a person just beginning.

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I had some time after Church, so I cut the new piece of angle, rounded off the sharp corners so I don't catch myself on them, and gave it a quick coat of white to blend in with the original pieces a bit better.

The arm is very rigid, but I may replace the existing melamine wing with a trapezoidal piece (mocked up in orange) to give it a little more support against twisting. I am also toying with adding a leg under that edge, but not sure.

Now I have to wait until I need to go up north and get a piece of 2 inch flex hose so I can hook up the dust collection.

The outfeed table will probably happen in the next week or so, I am liking the setup Gary posted. I will have to see what time and materials I can scrounge up to fit it in.

So far, it's working pretty well.
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Doug, Looks like you made quite a bit of progress! Looking good!
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Looking good Doug. I have the same 30" JET and am intrigued with the mounting. Definitely food for thought.

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Default Scrounging up supplies

I am kind of kicking myself for tossing out the melamine top of an old table I had, it would have been perfect for the outfeed table. I ran over to the Habitat store to see if there was anything I could acquire for that purpose. While there I was surprised to find the wierdest looking 'walker' I had ever seen and grabbed it to copy Gary's design. I also ran into a 35 foot loooong length of swimming pool cleaning hose that has the exact same fitting as is on the Beisemeyer blade guard. This will allow me to snake the hose out of the way and tie it into the DC fitting. (I still have to wait for Amazon to deliver that). I also got a length of black vacuum hose (15 feet) that was my backup plan, but it's too small of a diameter (and has a crack or two in it).

I still was happy with my score, everything for about $35, and it goes to a good purpose and not the landfill. I still need to find a table top, but I have an email out to someone else with a drafting table they want hauled away on Craigslist, so there's hope. I need to add about 2 lbs of counter weight or additional spring pressure to the blade guard to make up for the heavier swimming pool hose, but that's not a big deal.

Running the saw with just the blade guard suction on from the shop vac does an INCREDIBLE job of grabbing the dust. Hopefully the flow will be as good with it tied into the 4 inch line of the dust collector.
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Doug, If you mount your table using door hinges as I did, My advise to you is to mount the table first, dado the slots (a little deeper and wider than you miter slots) then work out how you will support it. I thought you might be able to use the walker upside down, but it looks like if you mounted it that way you would have to lift the table...fold out the legs...then you would have to extend the folded out legs to support the table. With mine you lift the table...set the legs onto the edge of the mobile base...then lower the table. The only drawback with my design is when my table is down, I must store the walker legs separately...not a big deal.
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I saw a setup for a dust collection system that attached to the top of the blade guard. A rectangular piece was cut out of the blade guard and had a piece of Lexan glued to the blade guard. There was a hose adapter glued to the Lexan. Can't remember where I saw it but it was a neat idea. A search might come up with the DIY collector.

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