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but I'm going to attempt to do a real project and try a progress update ala MT Stringer. He used his Sketch-Up program and gave me a pretty good idea on how it should look and pointers on how to do this. But he refuses to come up and "help"!!

It will be a slow go cause I'm learning as I proceed. And I don't have my own finishing dept like he does.

So ......Mama would like the wet bar replaced and updated with a newer unit, no wet bar (guess that was the rage in 1980 when the house was built, or should I say thrown together), and some bookcase shelves. Space is 104" long (had to be over 8') up to the ceiling with a header in front of some open space.

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We'll call this "before"




That was the fun part, sort of. Had to be pretty careful to damage as little as possible. Ended up being 1 x 2 nailed to the wall with a counter top and face frame nailed to the front with doors. Not much to work with so it all came out!

Gonna leave the plumbing in so the next "lucky" owner can use it if he wants.

Off to the lumber store - got 4 sheets of 3/4 - 5 x 5 BB ripped in 1/2 to start. Figured I'd make the bottom in 3 separate boxes instead of a big built in. I can do it in the basement, and connect them in place when almost finished and stained, hopefully leaving less mess in the family room. Looks like maple is the closest match to the BB, so will probably use that for face fronts and doors, unless anybody has a different opinion. I will order the doors from cabinetsnow.com when the face frame is built and I can get real measurements.

This will probably be a little "overbuild", but it's for us so I don't mind the extra time and $$$$. Well, I do, but I don't have a lot of sayso in this.

Will see what I get done this week end.

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Hoping this thread will prod me onward to finish this in a reasonable amount of time.
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John; you've done a cut list and a layout to scale on the 5'x5' plywood format?. If you haven't yet, STOP! and do it now!!
Plywood's just too expensive to not do a scale drawing of the cuts. Waaaay to easy to do a cut out of sequence and end up with lots of scrap.
One way to keep the plywood usage under control is to do a 4" base out of 2"x4" (dry!) and simply face it once it's in place and shimmed perfectly level in all directions. All your vertical hts. will be from its top surfaces.
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John; you've done a cut list and a layout to scale on the 5'x5' plywood format?. If you haven't yet, STOP! and do it now!!
Plywood's just too expensive to not do a scale drawing of the cuts. Waaaay to easy to do a cut out of sequence and end up with lots of scrap.
One way to keep the plywood usage under control is to do a 4" base out of 2"x4" (dry!) and simply face it once it's in place and shimmed perfectly level in all directions. All your vertical hts. will be from its top surfaces.
I agree, sounds like you have done it before a few times.

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John; you've done a cut list and a layout to scale on the 5'x5' plywood format?. If you haven't yet, STOP! and do it now!!
Plywood's just too expensive to not do a scale drawing of the cuts. Waaaay to easy to do a cut out of sequence and end up with lots of scrap.
One way to keep the plywood usage under control is to do a 4" base out of 2"x4" (dry!) and simply face it once it's in place and shimmed perfectly level in all directions. All your vertical hts. will be from its top surfaces.
Too late - think he said he had the 5' sheets ripped in half. That's waste already - they needed to be ripped at 24" as the depth of the cabinets should be 23.5". Add doors and you're near the 24" depth to accommodate a standard width counter top. Could have used the remaining 12" elsewhere.

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Too late - think he said he had the 5' sheets ripped in half. That's waste already - they needed to be ripped at 24" as the depth of the cabinets should be 23.5". Add doors and you're near the 24" depth to accommodate a standard width counter top. Could have used the remaining 12" elsewhere.
You are right, Vince, I rip mine 3'X5", and 2'X5' and then go from there on 5'X5' sheets. Most of the time I work with 4'X8' sheets tho.

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Cut lists save a lot of material, time and money.
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These are much deeper than the average cabinet so the cut doesn't matter that much on these first few pieces. Average width counter top won't fit either. I've been toying with different ideas on how to make one that looks "unique".

I'm making this to fit in the space of the old ones so I don't have to do a lot of refinish work. I'm just working with what's there. Besides, I have to handle these sheets by myself and a half works pretty good. I can always find something to do with any big cut offs. Still got shelves to make too.

One thing, a table saw is a must. Trying to cut all this with a track saw would drive me nuts.

Like I said earlier, this will be overbuilt and probably more expensive than it could have been; but it's for us, so it's not like I gotta make a bid price.

I never claimed to be a cabinetmaker or gave advice on building cabinets, and so far I don't think I want to be one full time. More like a "hobbymaker". Can do a few things ok, but not much very well.

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OK, John; you may proceed!
You still need the cut list though. I'm sending the wood-police to confirm you've done yours... lol
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That looks like a great place to build a false wall and store guns, ammo and long term food storage. Maybe a 12" deep edge-to-edge bookcase ... hinged???



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