Making SMALL sign and need advice? - Router Forums
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
post #1 of 28 (permalink) Old 06-23-2013, 07:50 AM Thread Starter
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Country: United States
First Name: Johnny
Posts: 788
 
Default Making SMALL sign and need advice?

Wow, first off I did not know there was a whole forum on just sign making and now I feel just a bit foolish. I admit that I have not read through all the posts here because there are so many and I apologize if there is already an answer to my dilemma, but maybe one of you can help steer me in the right direction.

Iím trying to make a small sign on a branch ripped in half and a little scared to use a router because of the size and shape of my piece. I decide to use a Dremel tool and it did not work well at all. Everybody has been recommending a router to do it, but Iím a little nervous about free hand routing on a small surface that rocks. I tried clamping it but the ends are not square and it slips.

I saw a couple of YouTube videos using a router on a small desk sign, but the pieces are flat and standard thickness allowing other pieces to be used to help support the router.

Anyway I thought I would ask here where there is much more router experience. Below is a photo of the piece Iím trying to make a sign on:

JohnnyB60 is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 28 (permalink) Old 06-23-2013, 08:10 AM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Country: Australia
First Name: Graham
Posts: 195
 
Default

Hi JohnnyB60,

If you get a clamp and clamp the timber tight than if you have a vice put your clamp piece of timber into the vice than you should be able to router it. Just make sure that you have clamp tight. I hope that works.

Cheers Graham.
Matador58 is offline  
post #3 of 28 (permalink) Old 06-23-2013, 08:39 AM Thread Starter
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Country: United States
First Name: Johnny
Posts: 788
 
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Matador58 View Post
Hi JohnnyB60,

If you get a clamp and clamp the timber tight than if you have a vice put your clamp piece of timber into the vice than you should be able to router it. Just make sure that you have clamp tight. I hope that works.

Cheers Graham.
Thanks Graham, Thatís a great idea. Iíll give that a try.

Also I just realized after looking at my photo that there is no reason why I canít square off the ends so that it will clamp better. I thought about ripping the back side flat so it would lay flat, but Iím not sure if the Apple wood would check or warp. I would like to keep it round so that I can bore a hole for another smaller branch to use as the post.

I was reading through some of the sign making threads here and I just realized that I need to order a special bit I guess. This is my first sign ever, so I have a lot to learn.
JohnnyB60 is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #4 of 28 (permalink) Old 06-23-2013, 09:38 AM
Honored Member
 
harrysin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Country: Australia
First Name: Harry
Posts: 14,241
     
Send a message via Skype™ to harrysin
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnnyB60 View Post
Wow, first off I did not know there was a whole forum on just sign making and now I feel just a bit foolish. I admit that I have not read through all the posts here because there are so many and I apologize if there is already an answer to my dilemma, but maybe one of you can help steer me in the right direction.

Iím trying to make a small sign on a branch ripped in half and a little scared to use a router because of the size and shape of my piece. I decide to use a Dremel tool and it did not work well at all. Everybody has been recommending a router to do it, but Iím a little nervous about free hand routing on a small surface that rocks. I tried clamping it but the ends are not square and it slips.

I saw a couple of YouTube videos using a router on a small desk sign, but the pieces are flat and standard thickness allowing other pieces to be used to help support the router.

Anyway I thought I would ask here where there is much more router experience. Below is a photo of the piece Iím trying to make a sign on:

Why not screw a piece of wood, 2" x !" or 2" x 2" to the back and clamp it in the vise
I would use a large sub-base to ensure the router remains steady similar to the one shown in the photo.
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	sub-base1a.jpg
Views:	68
Size:	60.0 KB
ID:	62588  


Harry



Nothing but heaven itself is better than a friend who is really a friend. - Plautus






harrysin is offline  
post #5 of 28 (permalink) Old 06-23-2013, 09:52 AM Thread Starter
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Country: United States
First Name: Johnny
Posts: 788
 
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by harrysin View Post
Why not screw a piece of wood, 2" x !" or 2" x 2" to the back and clamp it in the vise
I would use a large sub-base to ensure the router remains steady similar to the one shown in the photo.
Thanks Harry, thatís another good idea. I did think of that on my first attempt, but it was actually a thinner slice off the bigger one and I wasnít sure if it would hold.
Then I completely forgot about that idea.

Anyway this was my first attempt with the dremel tool but it came out terrible and is now in my fire wood pile so I decided to try again with the larger piece.





Harry you mentioned a large base and I was going to ask about that because I was wondering if I should use my Ridgid Trim Router to do this. I read that some use a plunge router, but I was afraid that might be too big a base.
JohnnyB60 is offline  
post #6 of 28 (permalink) Old 06-23-2013, 10:30 AM
Registered User
 
OutoftheWoodwork's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Country: United States
First Name: Barb
Posts: 2,192
 
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnnyB60 View Post
Wow, first off I did not know there was a whole forum on just sign making and now I feel just a bit foolish. I admit that I have not read through all the posts here because there are so many and I apologize if there is already an answer to my dilemma, but maybe one of you can help steer me in the right direction.

Iím trying to make a small sign on a branch ripped in half and a little scared to use a router because of the size and shape of my piece. I decide to use a Dremel tool and it did not work well at all. Everybody has been recommending a router to do it, but Iím a little nervous about free hand routing on a small surface that rocks. I tried clamping it but the ends are not square and it slips.

I saw a couple of YouTube videos using a router on a small desk sign, but the pieces are flat and standard thickness allowing other pieces to be used to help support the router.

Anyway I thought I would ask here where there is much more router experience. Below is a photo of the piece Iím trying to make a sign on:

Something like that I would get a piece of 1x2 and wedge under it on either side length ways, screwing them down. That prevents rocking. I also do all my work wih my wood on those anti-slip or drawer liners.

All my work is free hand and use a full size and trim router on my signs. I use a dremel for touch-up work when my trim router can't do it.

Good Luck

Barb


Get your facts first, then you can distort them as you please.
Mark Twain

There cannot be a crisis next week. My schedule is already full.
Henry A. Kissinger

If you choose to poke at a bee hive, be prepared to get stung.
OutoftheWoodwork is offline  
post #7 of 28 (permalink) Old 06-23-2013, 10:50 AM Thread Starter
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Country: United States
First Name: Johnny
Posts: 788
 
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by OutoftheWoodwork View Post
Something like that I would get a piece of 1x2 and wedge under it on either side length ways, screwing them down. That prevents rocking. I also do all my work wih my wood on those anti-slip or drawer liners.

All my work is free hand and use a full size and trim router on my signs. I use a dremel for touch-up work when my trim router can't do it.

Good Luck
Thanks Barb, I guess I just need to try it freehand to see how it goes.
I looked at all my router bits and thought I had one that I could use, but I need to order one before I can do anything.
I was just looking at the MLCS 60˚/90į Double Ended Bit and I believe I use to have one of those, but didnít know what it was at the time. I may still have it and put it with something else. I inherited a lot of tools from my father years ago and didnít know what half of them were.
JohnnyB60 is offline  
post #8 of 28 (permalink) Old 06-23-2013, 11:23 AM
Registered User
 
OutoftheWoodwork's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Country: United States
First Name: Barb
Posts: 2,192
 
Default

I have Freud bits that are the V cut which would work for this project. I would suggest you sand your log a bit to make it easier to transfer your design (which is kewl btw). I transfer using carbon paper And tracing (but working on different methods), and having it somewhat smooth will help with removing the excess coloring, helping to prevent bleeding as well

Barb


Get your facts first, then you can distort them as you please.
Mark Twain

There cannot be a crisis next week. My schedule is already full.
Henry A. Kissinger

If you choose to poke at a bee hive, be prepared to get stung.
OutoftheWoodwork is offline  
post #9 of 28 (permalink) Old 06-23-2013, 11:57 AM Thread Starter
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Country: United States
First Name: Johnny
Posts: 788
 
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by OutoftheWoodwork View Post
I have Freud bits that are the V cut which would work for this project. I would suggest you sand your log a bit to make it easier to transfer your design (which is kewl btw). I transfer using carbon paper And tracing (but working on different methods), and having it somewhat smooth will help with removing the excess coloring, helping to prevent bleeding as well
Thanks Barb that was my No. one mistake on the 1st try. I didn’t think too much about it because I was going to sand it afterward anyway, but I didn’t realize how much I had to sand. I didn’t like the idea of transfer because it seemed redundant to me. I glued my printout directly to the wood and peeled it off before sanding it for the finish.

This time I sanded it completely smooth and perfectly flat before gluing the template. I started last night with the Dremel Tool, but quit because I wasn’t happy with how it was coming out. I don’t know if I can fix it with a router or not and I may have to start over with a new piece.

Since I have to order a new router bit anyway and I already started it with the dremel, I may go ahead and complete it. Then if it looks really bad I’ll just make another one. I now have planes to make a few more signs and need the practice anyway.


Last edited by JohnnyB60; 06-23-2013 at 12:02 PM.
JohnnyB60 is offline  
post #10 of 28 (permalink) Old 06-23-2013, 12:11 PM
Registered User
 
OutoftheWoodwork's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Country: United States
First Name: Barb
Posts: 2,192
 
Default

In a word, yes you should be able to correct or cover it as I've done it numerous times. When I say sand it, I would hope you're using a power sander. I start with 80 or 100 then use 220 to make it smooth enough to where I can get the excess dye off the wood easily without losing my work. It almost comes off like taking An erasure to a dry erase board. (This coming after 3 yrs of re-cutting before I realized "DUH"). As for gluing, I didn't have much luck with it but apparently you are so keep it up dude :-)

Barb


Get your facts first, then you can distort them as you please.
Mark Twain

There cannot be a crisis next week. My schedule is already full.
Henry A. Kissinger

If you choose to poke at a bee hive, be prepared to get stung.
OutoftheWoodwork is offline  
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the Router Forums forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in











Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Linear Mode



Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome