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Hi Mark;

for a long time now, I've been referring people to the woodworkingchannel.com to learn how to use your grandfather's router system. The woodworkingchannel has allowed its domain name to expire. That means that there is no reference point for anyone to use to learn how to efficiently and safely use a router. Even YouTube doesn't have anything referable.

Could you please take the videos that were loaded onto the woodworkingchannel and create a video section here on the forum please. It is a very valuable point of reference and must be preserved.

To all forum members, if you're in favour of this, kindly add your voice to mine.

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Ron, Mark does not control the rights to the programs. Several seasons of the show are available on DVD from Oak park. All 14 seasons of the Router Workshop show are available for purchase through Routerworkshop.net or on a flash drive in HD quality.(I really like mine!) At this time all of the flash drives have sold out. Once a production run of the flash drives has been completed I will post a link for purchase.

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I will 2nd your post Ron,,but it comes down to the buck I think, so I think it will be a real long shot at one time I found many,many of the items on youtube but it didn't take long b/4 they nailed them.. I think the youtube videos and the woodworkingchannel videos would have sold many of the DVD's plus the flash drive but that's just my 2 cents..
GOOD videos are like potato chips once you have a taste of a good one you will always want one more

I will say I like the videos unlike the slide shows we now have in the video folder..

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Hi Mark;

for a long time now, I've been referring people to the woodworkingchannel.com to learn how to use your grandfather's router system. The woodworkingchannel has allowed its domain name to expire. That means that there is no reference point for anyone to use to learn how to efficiently and safely use a router. Even YouTube doesn't have anything referable.

Could you please take the videos that were loaded onto the woodworkingchannel and create a video section here on the forum please. It is a very valuable point of reference and must be preserved.

To all forum members, if you're in favour of this, kindly add your voice to mine.



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Hey Ron,

Similar to what Mike said, I don't control the copyrights to the Router Workshop program, that is controlled by my father, grandfather and grandmother under the company Woodgrain Productions. I like your idea of making a few of the Router Workshop programs available in the videos section on Router Forums, I can discuss this possibility with my family and get their feedback on it. However I can't promise anything nor can I guarantee I'll have a response soon here.

In the mean time I'm going to do my best to get in touch with the owner of TheWoodWorkingChannel.com and see what happened. I'll post back here when I have new information.

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Ron, Mark does not control the rights to the programs. Several seasons of the show are available on DVD from Oak park. All 14 seasons of the Router Workshop show are available for purchase through Routerworkshop.net or on a flash drive in HD quality.(I really like mine!) At this time all of the flash drives have sold out. Once a production run of the flash drives has been completed I will post a link for purchase.
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That may be so but license was given to WoodworkingChannel.com for some of those videos. It would be a simple matter for Rob to transfer license from the woodworkingchannel.com over to RouterForums.com.

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Hey Ron,

Similar to what Mike said, I don't control the copyrights to the Router Workshop program, that is controlled by my father, grandfather and grandmother under the company Woodgrain Productions. I like your idea of making a few of the Router Workshop programs available in the videos section on Router Forums, I can discuss this possibility with my family and get their feedback on it. However I can't promise anything nor can I guarantee I'll have a response soon here.

In the mean time I'm going to do my best to get in touch with the owner of TheWoodWorkingChannel.com and see what happened. I'll post back here when I have new information.
Mark;

You're right. You don't. However, there is another side to the issue. It has been a long time since the programs were run on PBS and some of the public networks in Canada. In order to continue support for OakPark, there's going to have to be a continuum for those programs. That's the only source of information on your Grandfather's system. If those programs die or get obscured behind fees, OakPark will die. What's worse, the research and work that your grandfather did to create OakPark, the RouterWorkshop and Woodgrain all disappear. Old users like myself and some others who have duplicated what your grandfather has done will continue to do our own thing. But the knowledge and research that your grandfather learned and created will die as we die off.

It is the only elegant system available. All of the others are kludges in comparison. Talk to your grandfather. Tell him what I've said. You don't have to make all of them available, only the ones that were on the woodworkingchannel.com. Like that, there is support for OakPark and, the Router Workshop.

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Ron, I guess you have not been following the status updates on Oak Park. They stopped production of the Router Workshop items last year. Oak Park is in a different line of work now. All of the shows are available as I stated before. You can purchase them at Routerworkshop.net. thewoodworkingchannel.com bought a license to show some of the episodes. The license is not transferable. An effort is being made to bring some of the shows to the forums. There is no use demanding someone give away their work for free, life does not work that way.

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I will 2nd your post Ron,,but it comes down to the buck I think, so I think it will be a real long shot at one time I found many,many of the items on youtube but it didn't take long b/4 they nailed them.. I think the youtube videos and the woodworkingchannel videos would have sold many of the DVD's plus the flash drive but that's just my 2 cents..
GOOD videos are like potato chips once you have a taste of a good one you will always want one more

I will say I like the videos unlike the slide shows we now have in the video folder..

i.e.

Router Tip 206 - YouTube

PS Wood scroll saw demo - YouTube

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From feedback that I have been getting Bob, the type of "video" currently being produced is preferred because when a frame is paused, it can be studied with the explanatory text.

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From feedback that I have been getting Bob, the type of "video" currently being produced is preferred because when a frame is paused, it can be studied with the explanatory text.

Agree, did just that tonight......

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Ron, I guess you have not been following the status updates on Oak Park. They stopped production of the Router Workshop items last year. Oak Park is in a different line of work now. All of the shows are available as I stated before. You can purchase them at Routerworkshop.net. thewoodworkingchannel.com bought a license to show some of the episodes. The license is not transferable. An effort is being made to bring some of the shows to the forums. There is no use demanding someone give away their work for free, life does not work that way.
Hi Mike:

No, I didn't know that OakPark stopped production. Too bad. That was the best system on the market.

As for purchasing the shows, I don't need to I've seen them. But, if I were someone starting out with routing and woodworking and someone recommended the shows, I certainly wouldn't plunk down bucks unless I knew what I was buying. There would normally be a few "examples" for marketing purposes. But, then, there's nothing to market is there? As for the woodworkingchannel licenses, was there not a clause on continuum in the contract? i.e. they fail to present the videos and the licenses revert back to the creator?

As for "There is no use demanding someone give away their work for free, life does not work that way." it's simple. It's what happened to me -- it's called theft and it's rampant today. It's even worse when someone hides behind the laws of a foreign nation so the victim can't reclaim their losses or assert their possession.

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