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post #1 of 13 (permalink) Old 07-23-2017, 03:14 PM Thread Starter
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Question noob router table dilema.

A few years back i decided i wanted to try to make guitar bodies and trinket boxes and started buying woodworking tools including one of the $150 grizzly tables and an inexpensive skil router that came with both fixed and plunge bases. Before i ever even mounted the router though i started a new job and we had to move to a place with no space to spare.

I have since bought a house with a garage and started setting the garage up to do some wood working and this is where the dilema starts. I bought a new much bigger triton router for the above the table adjustment, and was told i would have nothing but trouble trying to use the plastic plate the table came with. So i ran out and bought an aluminum woodpecker plate that was completely incompatible with the table. While looking for the right aluminum plate i come to realize most of the high quality stuff is sized completely different than the grizzly table, and worse yet i start seeing fancy fences i liked the looks of too, then whole router table packages from woodpecker and incra catch my eye...

I have been bouncing back and forth for 2 weeks now trying to decide if i should just get any old aluminum plate i can find that fits the grizzly or if i should sink even more money into a fancy combo setup with all the bells and whistles. What makes it really difficult is that im a total noob whose only used a router once so i dont know if any of that fancy stuff is even going to help me or just help me and my money part ways... Buying a $500 basic woodpecker combo or $750 loaded inca combo is a long ways from a $100 plate.

Are the woodpecker super fence or incra wonder fence compatible with the grizzy table?

Are those more complicated fences really going to help with things like jointing 2" thick stock for guitar bodies or doing box joints?

I would have no problem throwing down the $750 for the loaded incra setup if its going to be something usefull and helps me but i'd rather not waste the money if its just a bunch of fancy gadgets ill never use anyway, since im not loaded and just starting out there are lots of other places the money could be used.
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Use the Grizz plate but don't leave it in the table when you aren't using it. It should be fine for a long time. I remove my router from the table when I change bits and when I remove the last bit I used the router used stays out until I need it again.
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Hi, I had the same situation. Here's how I resolved it.

Have a Rockler table with a somewhat small plate with 3 screws holding the insert. Got the Woodpecker plate that was set up for the big Triton specifically because of the twist lock insert--got the insert set too. The plate was larger and thicker than the Rockler plate, and it didn't have a hole drilled for the crank. These turned out to be minor problems fixed in about 2 hours (I'm a slow worker)..

First, I attached the router to the plate, and used a half inch drill bit to drill the hole for the crank. I simply turned it over and lined the drill up in the small depression in the circumference, and drilled it out. Used a rat tail file to smooth the edges a bit. Voila' that was done.

Next I lined the sides up with the sides of the hole in the table. It was the same width as the Rockler opening, but an inch longer on the short dimension. I snugged four straight boards around the periphery as shown in the drawing. If I had it to do over again, I'd have slipped a playing card or two between the plate and boards to give myself a bit of wiggle room when putting the plate in the opening.

You can also buy the Woodpecker template. Clamp the boards or template in place then use either as a template with a pattern routing bit (Bearing is toward the base or router end). Set the depth so it routs out slightly deeper than thickness of the plate. The Woodpecker plate is thicker than the old plate.

Make sure you cinch down the retaining screw on the router bit. Mine came off mid project. Everything worked, but it isn't pretty.

I didn't trim the height of the opening at all, so I didn't have to remove the leveling screws, just backed them off out of reach of the pattern bit. I think this increases the overall support for the plate.

The setup works perfectly, although I didn't do the card trick so it is a very tight fit.

While many here choose to use the complex accessory fences, I haven't found the need for one. Pursuit of precision in woodworking is a waste of effort beyond a certain point. If you watch a couple of Marc Sommerfeld's videos on YouTube, you'll see an old(mature) woodworker and cabinetmaker doing very precise work with a basic type of fence, and square chunks of MDF. He plugs his products, but don't worry about that, watch how he works. Elegant simplicity.

I like spending on tools, its fun shopping, taking them home and trying them out. But I've found myself wishing I'd not bought a number of fancy tools and gadgets because I rarely (if ever) use them. There are many here who love their Incra products, they make really good stuff. I have their box joint jig setup for the table saw and really like it. It makes sense to fix the wood to a jig and move the wood over the router rather than horsing the router over fixed wood.

I have a Rockler fence with dust extraction port on the back and an adjustable split fence. It does everything I want it to.

I attached a picture of the plate itself so people know what we're talking about. Clamp the heck out of that template!!!
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Are the woodpecker super fence or incra wonder fence compatible with the grizzy table?



Are those more complicated fences really going to help with things like jointing 2" thick stock for guitar bodies or doing box joints?



I would have no problem throwing down the $750 for the loaded incra setup if its going to be something usefull and helps me but i'd rather not waste the money if its just a bunch of fancy gadgets ill never use anyway, since im not loaded and just starting out there are lots of other places the money could be used.

Not familiar with the woodpecker fence, but I can chime in on the Incra LS positioner fence. The LS positioner uses a fairly long arm. To take full advantage of the fence you need a much bigger table then normal, so I'm going to say no to being compatible with the grizzly table, or just about any other standard size router table.

The Incra wonder fence is designed for jointing stock on a router table. The only problem I'd see is finding a two inch long router bit.
The Incra jig comes with templates for making dozens of different box joints and variations.

My recommendation is you use your Grizzly table and use your old router. While you get comfortable with it you can take the time to build yourself a new router table for your new router and plate. Consider making it large enough for the Incra fence if you still decide to get one. If you have the room two router tables can be useful, or you can sell the old one.


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Brandon, I set up a Triton TRA-001 in a Grizzly table and had no issues with it. I use the Grizzly plates for all my routers and have never had one sag; I buy them 6 at a time.

If you use the Triton in the table it is best to remove the plunge spring as shown.
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Put the spring in a safe place in case you want to use it as a plunge router, or sell it later. My smaller Rockler router plate worked fine, but I wanted a good twist lock insert, which at the time I got the Woodpecker plate, was only available in a couple of brands, the Woodpecker being the thickest available. I think a couple of other brands have that feature now, but you and I have the Woodpecker plate already, right? So other brands are moot. Good comments on the Incra products too.

I don't have enough room in my shop for a really large table with a large bar hanging over one end. Beside, I have a jointer out in the garage. Took awhile to acquire the tools. Happy to have the good ones now.

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I returned the Woodpecker plate so I am free to do whatever there.
Some of the YouTube videos do a really good job of making me want the full incra set up though for making boxes and stuff like that. I'm lucky enough that I have the whole downstairs of a 24 by 24 2 car garage to use and still have lots of free space left.

On a side note I scored about 120 board foot of 140 year old barn beams today for next to nothing and was promised two more whole beams
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I am so very happy I make my own router tables and plates. I recycle as much as I can when I make a new one and don't think I've got even $10 invested, total.
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"On a side note I scored about 120 board foot of 140 year old barn beams today for next to nothing and was promised two more whole beams."

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Before you mill or do any work with the beams, purchase a good metal detector as barn wood, etc., is well know to have imbedded/painted over/counter sunk screws, nails, staples, etc.

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What Ray said, in Spades!!!

Really bad **** happens when you hit hidden steel bits. Aluminum, brass, and copper not so much.
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