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I am going to be building my kitchen cabinets in the next month or so. I watched his videos on the system and it looks pretty easy and strong. Might be a bit more than needed for this, could use pocket holes/screws to attach face frames. Just wondering what the thoughts were and if anyone has done it with his system and what the opinions were. Thanks!
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The Sommerfeld bits get excellent reviews. I know Desert Rat Tom uses them.
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Built 4 sets of kitchen cabs and several other cases with Marc's bit set. It may seem like overkill, but you end up with a whale of a strong box. Highly recommend you follow his video instructions.
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I really like using pocket hole screws for assembling face frames. Exact end cuts (90) on the rails and stiles and the frame turns out perfect. Measure carefully because you probably want the face frams to be about 1/8 proud.
I don't much like pocket hole screws in visible areas for attaching face frames. I find it very difficult to fill in the plugs completely, so it is obvious I've used them. I generally wind up using glue for a stand alone, like a book shelf. But if you have a line of several cabinets, you can hide them by mounting from the concealed side of the cabinet. if you're using ply or mdf, you are likely to use a 1/4 finished piece over the ends, which will conceal those pocket screws.

As to the bits and Sommerfeld's system, I think they are the very best way to go. I noticed that Freud has begun offering matched sets. Sommerfeld has a star shaped gadget called the EasySet, a jig for setting most of their bits that also takes workpiece thickness into account. It costs $30 and is well worth it. They now offer a second version (red) for Freud bits, and now that Freud sets are matched, that should be good, just check the part numbers to make sure what you buy matches the EasySet numbers. You work face down on the table with these kinds of sets.

I love watching Marc Sommerfeld do his router work. So many years as a cabinet maker really show in his technique. Simple, straightforward.

Freud makes really nice consumer grade bits, but for me, I like the quality of Sommerfeld, also, their packaging of sets is really nice, protective and keeps them all together. Save the YouTube videos to disk (I bought his DVD set for $99) and watch them several times before trying something new. Also write down the sequence he uses to keep on track.

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I own and have use this system to build cabinets love it not only is it strong, but helps square up the unit automatically.
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I have those and other sets by Marc. I really like the self alignment and the quality.............. and the price. JimE
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Marc's idea of using an offset tongue and groove for cabinet making is a great idea. When using his offset bits for making cabinets, along with pocket screws and glue, produces perfectly matched or offset corner joints quickly and easily. When the cabinets are assembled using this system along with glue and pocket screws you rarely need clamps, and you can assemble a complete cabinet without stopping part way and waiting for the glue to dry. But you do need to plan ahead a little to offset the tongues and grooves in the correct direction before you cut them or you may discover that a panel will only fit with the inside face on the outside. Watch his video several times and make a sketch of your cabinet with arrows to show which direction to offset each tongue and groove. After you make a few cabinets with this system, getting the tongues and grooves right becomes easy and you will be able to do it without any advance planning.

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Small item: Mark the insides of your work pieces with chalk. Easy to mix them up.

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I am sold on it now. I thought it looked pretty easy and you have all told me that is the case.

I know in his videos he makes the face frames all the same size(width wise) I am looking at putting a ledger board on the wall and using the front adjustable feet for some of the cabinets. Mainly so I can run some plumbing, wiring and duct work. If I remember right he has the bottoms of the cabinets flush with the rails, making for a 1-1/4" "lip" on the bottom rail (toe kick area) Do all of you use 2" wide rails and stiles? I have read a couple books and they were all different in what they did for rails and stiles. I like the idea of them being all the same size for simplistic sake.
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@rbecklund I like a thinner width, about 1.5 inch. Seems a little more modern to me. But when you butt two cabinets together, that makes a 3 inch face frame between the two carcuses. Take off an inch for a half inch overlap door and you're back to 2 inches being visible, with one inch showing on the end cabinets. Of course, it you're putting a bead or other decoration on the face frame, you might want it wider. I like Mission style a lot, very simple.

Check out Sommerfeld's door-making, matched bit sets, which are really terrific. I particularly like his glass door set. To me, glass front cabinets are the ultimate in elegance. Treat yourself to the videos, you inspired me to watch several of them again, which gets the old woodworking appetite going again.
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